[talaniman]

so the rage continues, meanwhile the government goes quietly on

Not quietly but loud and raucus. TV does that.

[paraclete]

after Trump this is silence

[tomder55]

Time to resurrect this post .

Cluessless Joe has nominated Nancy Gbana Abudu, the deputy legal director at Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) to be an 11th Circus appellate justice .She is a diversity nominee who checks off the appropriate boxes . She “would be the first African-American woman judge ever "to sit on the Eleventh Circus.

But that is not my beef . When she was working for the ACLU she said that proof of citizenship and photo ID are indicative of “voter suppression.”

[Wondergirl]

Abudu (at the same time in 2011!!!) slammed South Carolina for not permitting students to show campus IDs to vote, calling it “restrictive.”

What's her stance now, ten years later?

[tomder55]

got me . That stance is indicative of her disregard for the integrity of the franchise . Many students from campus are out of state .

You say it was a decade ago .But her comments about the Georgia law shows that her opinion has not changed . She parroted Clueless' comments that the Georgia law was Jim Crow .

[Wondergirl]

But her comments about the Georgia law shows that her opinion has not changed . She parroted Clueless' comments that the Georgia law was Jim Crow .

A date for those comments? And what was meant by "the Georgia law was Jim Crow"?

[tomder55]

Defending Democracy: SPLC calls on Senate to swiftly pass John R. Lewis Voting Rights Advancement Act | Southern Poverty Law Center (splcenter.org)

You don't know what Jim Crow laws were ? That is when there was real suppression unlike today .

[Wondergirl]

Defending Democracy: SPLC calls on Senate to swiftly pass John R. Lewis Voting Rights Advancement Act | Southern Poverty Law Center (splcenter.org)

You don't know what Jim Crow laws were ? That is when there was real suppression unlike today .

Yes, I know about Jim Crow. Was born and raised in the South. I was asking, how is the Georgia law Jim Crow? And...how is it not?

[tomder55]

I don't think it is Jim Crow .If voter ID requirements are Jim Crow then most of the country still practices Jim Crow .In fact Georgia's laws are to a large extent mirror Federal laws .
Georgia provides a free photo ID to anyone who doesn’t already have one. We have more than a decade’s worth of Georgia’s turnout data in election after election that graphically shows that the ID provision does not prevent anyone—including minorities The only addition is that now is ID is required for absentee and mail in ballots. All someone who wants a mail in ballot need do is write the id # on the application. Doesn't even need a drivers license . It can be satisfied with a “copy of a current utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck, or other government document that shows the name and address "

[Wondergirl]

Illinois doesn't require driver or state ID to vote or to apply for a mail-in application.

[tomder55]

good for Illinois one of only 15 states that don't require some form of ID . Did I mention how dysfunctional your state is ?

[jlisenbe]

We have more than a decade’s worth of Georgia’s turnout data in election after election that graphically shows that the ID provision does not prevent anyone—including minorities

Hopefully facts will be persuasive.

[Wondergirl]

good for Illinois one of only 15 states that don't require some form of ID . Did I mention how dysfunctional your state is ?

Dysfunctional because Dems win?

[tomder55]

What state has the lowest credit rating in the nation ? Yes the Dems and the fact that they are beholden to public service unions are mostly to blame . They got their first credit rating upgrade in 2 decades so I guess there is some good news there . But it is still the worse in the nation.Decades of budgetary mismanagement is the cause . It has $250 billion in obligations and only about 40% of it funded . It's bond ratings border on junk bond status . We here the same old same old tax the rich rhetoric as a solution .But the rich are leaving the state in droves . And yes ;the Dems want to empower the very unions that are sinking the state .

[talaniman]

good for Illinois one of only 15 states that don't require some form of ID . Did I mention how dysfunctional your state is ?

You need an ID to register, and vote, just not the specific one you wingers want mandated.

[tomder55]

Without requiring a PHOTO ID for VOTING in every election (not registration ,not 1st time voting only),there is almost no chance of detecting fraud.....and that includes providing a copy of the id when applying for absentee ballots . And if absentee ballots are mailed out without specific requests by the voter then you are also inviting fraud .If you allow ballot harvesting you also invite fraud .

The Dem's claim that photo id is equivalent to Jim Crow poll taxes is absurd . They are offered for free . Further the requirement of a photo id has not been demonstrated to suppress turnout . That is just a phony Dem talking point .

HR1 would force states to mail absentee ballots to all voters and allow harvesting.HR1 also compels states to automatically register everyone who signs up for food assistance, unemployment benefits or other government support. That includes noncitizens, unless they declare themselves ineligible. It bans photo-ID requirements. Anyone can show up on Election Day to vote and simply sign a statement claiming to be registered.

[jlisenbe]

Dems know that election fraud typically favors them, so they are in favor of virtually anything that allows for it.

[talaniman]

No, turnout favors dems, which is why anything that promotes it scares repubs.

Without requiring a PHOTO ID for VOTING in every election (not registration ,not 1st time voting only),there is almost no chance of detecting fraud.....and that includes providing a copy of the id when applying for absentee ballots . And if absentee ballots are mailed out without specific requests by the voter then you are also inviting fraud .If you allow ballot harvesting you also invite fraud .

The Dem's claim that photo id is equivalent to Jim Crow poll taxes is absurd . They are offered for free . Further the requirement of a photo id has not been demonstrated to suppress turnout . That is just a phony Dem talking point .

HR1 would force states to mail absentee ballots to all voters and allow harvesting.HR1 also compels states to automatically register everyone who signs up for food assistance, unemployment benefits or other government support. That includes noncitizens, unless they declare themselves ineligible. It bans photo-ID requirements. Anyone can show up on Election Day to vote and simply sign a statement claiming to be registered.

None of your fears and allegations has ever been proved by repubs in the decades of hollering lies and shenanigans.

[tomder55]

As stated without the safeguards there is almost zero chance of "proving " fraud . The Dem fallback is always going to be the charge is unproven and they will be correct because the chaos the Dems favor prevent it .

[talaniman]

Take your grievances to court like we do and end the chaos.