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Athos · May 25, 2021, 04:52 AM

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tomder55 · May 25, 2021, 07:02 AM

Letitia James based her campaign on the premise that she would prosecute Trump .She should be recused .

Athos · May 25, 2021, 07:16 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

Letitia James based her campaign on the premise that she would prosecute Trump .She should be recused .

That's not a reason for recusal. Trump is a known criminal. All that remains is to convict him in a court of law. She shouold be congratulated for her action against Trump.

In any case, recusal applies to a judge or a juror, not an AG upholding the law.

tomder55 · May 25, 2021, 08:08 AM

Recuse : to remove (oneself) from participation to avoid a conflict of interest
Sessions recused himself from any role in the phony Justice Dept investigation of Trump's alleged and debunked collusion with Russia . James recused herself from a vaccine probe earlier this year

Athos · May 25, 2021, 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

Recuse : to remove (oneself) from participation to avoid a conflict of interest
Sessions recused himself from any role in the phony Justice Dept investigation of Trump's alleged and debunked collusion with Russia . James recused herself from a vaccine probe earlier this year

I stand corrected. Thank you.

However, I still see no reason why James should recuse herself. She has no conflict of interest charging Trump with a crime.

In Sessions' case, he was himself involved in the Russian contacts investigation before being named Attorney General. He correctly recused himself for that reason.

James recused herself from the vaccine probe because as a friend of the involved individual before her election, she would have given the appearance of impropriety. She correctly recused herself for that reason.

As to the "phony Justice Dept investigation of Trump's alleged and debunked collusion with Russia", it was debunked only in the mind of Trump and some right-wing fanatics.

The Mueller report specifically stated that it "did not exonerate Trump" and found that actions by the President "were capable of exerting undue influence over law enforcement investigations". The report listed ten instances of obstruction of justice by Trump. Mueller's failure to recommend charges against Trump was due to then AG Barr claiming (incorrectly) that Trump was not able to be indicted while President.

jlisenbe · May 25, 2021, 10:28 AM

At some point the lib dems have to actually prove some of these charges to be true. All smoke but no fire.

tomder55 · May 25, 2021, 10:35 AM

what does Mueller saying "did not exonerate Trump" actually mean ?

1. His comments was about obstruction and not about charges about conspiracy by Trump about the so called( discredited by Mueller )collusion

2.Mueller had no legal authority to "exonerate " . His task was to either prosecute or to report to the AG a recommendation to indict or not .

3. Exoneration is a post conviction event that happens after a reexamination of the evidence

What Mueller did in his report was a punt. He could not make a case for conspiracy ,so he laid out a case for Congress to grab about obstruction . But the case was so weak ,that even the Congress of Schiff-head and the toad Nadler did not bite ,

Athos · May 25, 2021, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

what does Mueller saying "did not exonerate Trump" actually mean ?

It means Trump was not exonerated by the report. Trump forever after said the opposite. It is highly unlikely Trump even ever read the report.

1. His comments was about obstruction and not about charges about conspiracy by Trump about the so called( discredited by Mueller )collusion

He said there was no question that the Russians benefited Trump and disparaged Clinton. He could not find any proof that Trump or his Administration directly conspired with the Russians. It has since been revealed that Manafort did exactly that.

2.Mueller had no legal authority to "exonerate " .

Of course, he had legal authority. From the DOJ.

His task was to either prosecute or to report to the AG a recommendation to indict or not

He explained that the AG Barr prevented Trump from being indicted. Where have you been?

3. Exoneration is a post conviction event that happens after a reexamination of the evidence

"Exonerate" means to say someone is not guilty. Mueller's use of the word was right on target.

What Mueller did in his report was a punt. He could not make a case for conspiracy ,so he laid out a case for Congress to grab about obstruction . But the case was so weak ,that even the Congress of Schiff-head and the toad Nadler did not bite ,

You're confused, unsurprisingly. It was not the case was weak, it was that there was no point with a Republican opposition and also the position of Barr with respect to Trump's inviolability.

talaniman · May 25, 2021, 11:30 AM

If not for the elected dufus sycophants and a corrupt AG the dufus would be in jail after he was booted from the WH. Simple truth is the right and fake conservatives can't do without him or love the steady diet of red raw meat and shenanigans and antics they crave.

Or are they just deranged deluded or STUPID? Doesn't matter much...it's just SICK!

jlisenbe · May 25, 2021, 12:11 PM

It is highly unlikely Trump even ever read the report.

You know that how? Because you don't like him?

Wondergirl · May 25, 2021, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

You know that how? Because you don't like him?

Because he can't read.

jlisenbe · May 25, 2021, 12:27 PM

It was not the case was weak, it was that there was no point with a Republican opposition and also the position of Barr with respect to Trump's inviolability.

As always, it was someone else's fault.

The odor of TDS fills the room.

Wondergirl · May 25, 2021, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

The odor of TDS fills the room.

Do some honest research. You're an educator. This should be a piece of cake for you. Pretend Trump is being transferred into your school. What grade/level will you put him in? Does he need a tutor? If so, what would you advise that tutor to stress during the tutoring sessions?

Athos · May 25, 2021, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

The odor of TDS fills the room.

Get your head out of Trump's arse and you won't smell so bad.

jlisenbe · May 25, 2021, 01:53 PM

Do some honest research. You're an educator. This should be a piece of cake for you. Pretend Trump is being transferred into your school. What grade/level will you put him in? Does he need a tutor? If so, what would you advise that tutor to stress during the tutoring sessions?

He is enormously successful in business. Do you think you compare in any way to him in that regard? He would be a senior and you'd still be in second grade. Results count for something in the real world. Don't get me wrong. I'm not a big fan of Trump, but your question is really bizarre. He has proven himself in business. What have you done?

Get your head out of Trump's arse and you won't smell so bad

Poor little Athos. Is him mad???

Grow a brain, sick-o.

Wondergirl · May 25, 2021, 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

He is enormously successful in business. Do you think you compare in any way to him in that regard? He would be a senior and you'd still be in second grade. Results count for something in the real world. Don't get me wrong. I'm not a big fan of Trump, but your question is really bizarre. He has proven himself in business. What have you done?

I've definitely accomplished far more and better than he ever has in public relations and in communications and in publishing. His "business" acumen is a joke. (Plus he doesn't know what the word "acumen" means.)

jlisenbe · May 25, 2021, 03:07 PM

I've definitely accomplished far more and better than he ever has in public relations and in communications and in publishing.

Laughably false. [/COLOR][/FONT]Trump: The Art of the Deal, for instance, has a 4.7 rating on Amazon and has sold over a million copies. How many copies have your books "sold"? What on earth do you think you have "accomplished" that rivals what he has done? Let's hear it. Be specific, please.

Goodness, WG. You're starting to sound foolish. Please stop. Honestly, it's difficult to watch.

His "business" acumen is a joke.

Yeah. I'm sure your a real business expert. You are embarrassing yourself.

(Plus he doesn't know what the word "acumen" means.)

TDS at work.

And, of course, you let the crude comment of Athos slide by without so much as a single remark. Doesn't it get tiresome being such a hypocrite in civility?

Athos · May 25, 2021, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

He is enormously successful in business.

You don't know a damn thing about his business, do you?

He inherited the business from his father. Then he tried to expand it by engaging in, at last count, 12 businesses, every one of which was a total failure. Trump Vodka, Trump Airlines, Trump Beverages, Trump Board Game, Trump Casinos, Trump Magazine, Trump Mortgage, Trump Steaks, Trump Travel, Trump Telecomm, Trump Tower Tampa, Trump University, Trump Brands (cologne, menswear, mattresses).

Giving the devil his due, his reality show The Apprentice was successful initially, but falling ratings ultimately led to NBC dropping him and looking for a new host. Batting average - less than .100. Not a description of a successful businessman.

His famous bankruptcies were "brilliant business moves", said Trump. They left investors and bankers holding the bag for millions. So much that the crook cannot get a loan for a dime from any American bank. Off-shore banks, however, had an interest in Trump when he was president. Deutsche Bank has dumped him, and any Russian deals, if any, are not known - yet.

Then there are all the lawsuits filed against him for non-payment to small sub-contractors. He also failed to pay overtime or minimum wage as required by law, and notoriously wrote a large "C" on rental applications from blacks. "C" being code for "colored".

"Don the Con" was what his home state called him. His home borough of Manhattan gave him 9% of the vote. No other president can match that record, nor probably ever will.

talaniman · May 25, 2021, 03:23 PM

WG, have you ever lied, cheated, or bilked anyone of their money with scams and griffs? If not you are far ahead of the dufus and his moral character.

Athos · May 25, 2021, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

And, of course, you let the crude comment of Athos slide by without so much as a single remark. Doesn't it get tiresome being such a hypocrite in civility?

My crude comment was a response to your crude comment, a-hole. If you're gonna dish it out, don't be surprised when you get a taste of your own medicine.