[talaniman]

Hello fellow libs, forgive the conservatives for they have no clue what they're talking about, though they make noise like they do. They've always been that way but the dufus corrupted them deeply. Despite booting the dude from office, it's going to take a while to wean them from the red meat they crave like junkies chasing a fix. It's ugly but will get uglier before it gets better.

Enjoy watching their heads explode, and don't worry if they seem dizzy from running in a circle hollering for more. That's what they do best! Show some tolerance but keep the rocks handy.

[jlisenbe]

The choice is plain.

[talaniman]

Same with the wall conservatives need to build?

[paraclete]

Same with the wall conservatives need to build?

Yes it keeps people out, but it also keeps people in. It is sort of like the Chinese road system, magnificent toll roads everywhere, but your every movement is logged

[jlisenbe]

The wall does not keep Americans in, and it does not keep legal immigrants out.

[Wondergirl]

A wall would not keep anyone in nor would it keep anyone out.

[paraclete]

Then what is the point of it? Walls have successfully kept people out and people in in various places in the world

[Wondergirl]

Then what is the point of it? Walls have successfully kept people out and people in in various places in the world

Successfully? Nope. Where?

[paraclete]

Israel and the west bank. East/West Berlin, Great Wall

[jlisenbe]

It is foolish beyond belief to suggest that walls do not work. They do not work perfectly, but neither do airbags, door locks and window latches. No one suggests we stop using those. It is absolutely certain that a southern wall would greatly diminish illegal immigration and drug/human trafficking.

[talaniman]

Why should I pay for your wall?

[paraclete]

But it would be your wall too

[tomder55]

To reply to Clete who said this post lacks empathy or compassion or some other liberal drivel ; yes there are SOME people claiming unemployment benefits as they search for work and try to stay afloat from the economic pain incurred during the self imposed pandemic recession .However ,the purposeful constriction of the labor market by the Quids are effectively a state sponsored labor strike. The only thing missing is the picket signs outside of the business.
This serves the Dem narrative . Robert Reich tweeted that there is no labor shortage .“There is a shortage of employers willing to pay their workers a living wage.”
Quid on Monday was an echo chamber for that sentiment . “People will come back to work if they’re paid a decent wage.” You would think he was a union strongman boss instead of the President .The difference is that the Dems have the power to dip into government red ink to attempt to jack up wages

Let me give you one practical consequence that I have seen since moving to South Carolina. Here when you walk into the grocery store there is one employee greeting you and offering a shopping cart . There are numerous employees keeping the shelves stocked and assisting customers . There is one employee at the register and one bagging groceries and offering to bring them to your car.

In NY there was unresponsive staff who could not even correctly tell you what aisle the groceries you want to purchase was in . There was a handful of clerks at the registers but the bulk of the check out was computer self check out .
Forcing higher wages will bring an obvious reaction by employers .It will accelerate the pace of automation and other strategies to improve operation efficiencies without adding workers. . Those jobs will no longer be available .
Right now because of the labor demand employers are sucking it up and hiring what they can. I even hear of monetary incentives being offered just to apply
But eventually the generous benefits will run dry .September is the date . I do not believe there is the vote and the rationale to extend benefits further . At that point employers will get to pick and choose ;and if their employees are not productively at the top of their game ,there will be no reason to retain them.

If the government is going to spend taxpayer money on an employment program ,it should be on helping the lower skilled person obtain the training needed to compete in the labor market of the future . It should not be an incentive to take a government paid leave from the workforce .

[jlisenbe]

About the only people calling for higher wages are the ones who aren't running a business and trying to stay afloat.

[paraclete]

To reply to Clete who said this post lacks empathy or compassion or some other liberal drivel ; yes there are SOME people claiming unemployment benefits as they search for work and try to stay afloat from the economic pain incurred during the self imposed pandemic recession .However ,the purposeful constriction of the labor market by the Quids are effectively a state sponsored labor strike. The only thing missing is the picket signs outside of the business.
This serves the Dem narrative . Robert Reich tweeted that there is no labor shortage .“There is a shortage of employers willing to pay their workers a living wage.”
Quid on Monday was an echo chamber for that sentiment . “People will come back to work if they’re paid a decent wage.” You would think he was a union strongman boss instead of the President .The difference is that the Dems have the power to dip into government red ink to attempt to jack up wages

Let me give you one practical consequence that I have seen since moving to South Carolina. Here when you walk into the grocery store there is one employee greeting you and offering a shopping cart . There are numerous employees keeping the shelves stocked and assisting customers . There is one employee at the register and one bagging groceries and offering to bring them to your car.

In NY there was unresponsive staff who could not even correctly tell you what aisle the groceries you want to purchase was in . There was a handful of clerks at the registers but the bulk of the check out was computer self check out .
Forcing higher wages will bring an obvious reaction by employers .It will accelerate the pace of automation and other strategies to improve operation efficiencies without adding workers. . Those jobs will no longer be available .
Right now because of the labor demand employers are sucking it up and hiring what they can. I even hear of monetary incentives being offered just to apply
But eventually the generous benefits will run dry .September is the date . I do not believe there is the vote and the rationale to extend benefits further . At that point employers will get to pick and choose ;and if their employees are not productively at the top of their game ,there will be no reason to retain them.

If the government is going to spend taxpayer money on an employment program ,it should be on helping the lower skilled person obtain the training needed to compete in the labor market of the future . It should not be an incentive to take a government paid leave from the workforce .

You certainly have it good with all that service, here we find things for ourselves in isles marked with appropriate signage, we have multiple checkouts and shopping trolleys so we don't have anyone assist us to the car park and the employees are all paid more than minimum wage

[jlisenbe]

employees are all paid more than minimum wage

I don't believe for one second that "all" of the workforce in Australia makes more than minimum wage considering that the minimum wage there, for those 21 and above, is about 18 dollars an hour. Here, only 2% of the American workforce makes minimum wage, so the net effect is about the same as "all". In my area right now, practically everyone is paying considerably above minimum wage.

For the record, 18 an hour seems kind of high, but I like your approach of allowing those under 21 to make less than 18 an hour. I could be talked into a higher min wage here if provision was made for young and new employees to be able to make less so they can still get jobs.

[Wondergirl]

If the government is going to spend taxpayer money on an employment program ,it should be on helping the lower skilled person obtain the training needed to compete in the labor market of the future.

Exactly! Start with education. Put together classes in middle school and high school that will help students identify their particular skills and abilities, teach them new ones, offer internships -- and keep this vocational program current with the times and with the needs of society.

[paraclete]

I don't believe for one second that "all" of the workforce in Australia makes more than minimum wage considering that the minimum wage there, for those 21 and above, is about 18 dollars an hour. Here, only 2% of the American workforce makes minimum wage, so the net effect is about the same as "all". In my area right now, practically everyone is paying considerably above minimum wage.

For the record, 18 an hour seems kind of high, but I like your approach of allowing those under 21 to make less than 18 an hour. I could be talked into a higher min wage here if provision was made for young and new employees to be able to make less so they can still get jobs.

You really must learn to read, I didn't say all, I said all the employees, and yes we do have a lower wage for lesser skilled youth. It seems your minimum wage is similar to ours, however, there is a compulsory superannuation contribution as well, so it is actually higher, the cost of things far from the centre of things being higher

[jlisenbe]

You really must learn to read, I didn't say all, I said those,

It's exactly what you said. "and the employees are all paid more than minimum wage"

Perhaps you can point out the word "those" in your passage, a word which you claim above you used. "You certainly have it good with all that service, here we find things for ourselves in isles marked with appropriate signage, we have multiple checkouts and shopping trolleys so we don't have anyone assist us to the car park and the employees are all paid more than minimum wage."

Now perhaps you were only speaking of your local store. That's possible, but even then I would ask how you could know that they were ALL paid more than minimum wage?

[paraclete]

It's exactly what you said. "and the employees are all paid more than minimum wage"

Perhaps you can point out the word "those" in your passage, a word which you claim above you used. "You certainly have it good with all that service, here we find things for ourselves in isles marked with appropriate signage, we have multiple checkouts and shopping trolleys so we don't have anyone assist us to the car park and the employees are all paid more than minimum wage."

Now perhaps you were only speaking of your local store. That's possible, but even then I would ask how you could know that they were ALL paid more than minimum wage?

I because they are all adults, some are even seniors and it is store policy, as it is a major chain. When will you get that when I comment on conditions here it is implied they exceed those there. I used to work for yanks who complained bitterly how much we were were paid without having reference to the cost of living, the distance, and the small population (size of market) they thought they could impose US standards here and the result is that people left for better wages and conditions elsewhere, me among them. You see we have a long history of labour laws which mandate fair wages and conditions and these cannot be undone at the whim of the employer