[Athos]

They seem to be the common thread among the insurrectionists January 6. After watching the Trump rallies, it's becoming clear that the white evangelicals comprise the base for Trump's core followers. Primarily based in the South, they also come from other sections of the country.

It's always comes as a surprise, if not a shock, that any aspect of Christianity could become so twisted as to select Trump as its leader. It's a Christianity without the message of Jesus Christ.

"Jesus saves" and "Jesus 2020" were among the prominently displayed flags at the insurrection along with the banners and flag sticks beating to death a Capitol police officer.

[Wondergirl]

It's always comes as a surprise, if not a shock, that any aspect of Christianity could become so twisted as to select Trump as its leader. It's a Christianity without the message of Jesus Christ.

And I still don't understand what white evangelical Christians see in Trump so that they follow him, support him, and cheer him on. My evangelical Christian upbringing (years before the "evangelical" adjective was stolen by fundamentalists) says to do exactly the opposite.

[paraclete]

Trump was the only game in town, better the devil you know than the devil you don't know and Christians, won't put any other tag on them, will support an anti abortionist, pro law and order campaign. Christians are conservative by nature and the left typified by Clinton, Obama and Biden just don't connect with their values. The mob in Washington doesn't typify their values either and obviously some individuals thought it did because, true or not, the election had many hallmarks of been stolen by the left

[Athos]

true or not, the election had many hallmarks of been stolen by the left

Not true. This is the new meme being started by the right - that antifa led the mob into the Capitol. It all gets loonier and loonier.

Christians will support an anti abortionist, pro law and order campaign. Christians are conservative by nature

That's part of it.

and the left typified by Clinton, Obama and Biden just don't connect with their values.

Do you mean values like loving thy neighbor, helping the poor, and paying fair wages? Values like those?

[paraclete]

No values like allowing abortion and licentiousness rather than teaching moral behaviour, the values that will destroy lives in the interests of environmental vested interests, the values that pander to rich backers even against common sense. Christians arn't against these other values but against those who exploit the system

[Athos]

No values like allowing abortion and licentiousness rather than teaching moral behaviour

Abortion is the law of the land (US). Licentiousness is common to all groups as is teaching moral behaviour. Please don't argue that only Christianity is the teacher of moral behaviour.

the values that will destroy lives in the interests of environmental vested interests

Like mining companies?

The values that pander to rich backers even against common sense.

Clearly, such values pander to the rich and to wealthy Republicans. Agree often against common sense.

Christians arn't against these other values but against those who exploit the system

Everybody says they're against those values that exploit the system. But it's primarily the rich and powerful who do the exploiting.

[paraclete]

and the rich and powerfull are no just Christians but your ilk too, who seem to populate the demonrat party

[Athos]

but your ilk too, who seem to populate the demonrat party

Actually, I'm an Independent. But it's hard not to go along with the Democrats as long as Trump was in power.

[Wondergirl]

and the rich and powerfull are no just Christians but your ilk too, who seem to populate the demonrat party

"Your ilk"?

[paraclete]

yes athiests

[jlisenbe]

After watching the Trump rallies, it's becoming clear that the white evangelicals comprise the base for Trump's core followers. Primarily based in the South, they also come from other sections of the country.

So we have a man who thinks he can, by merely looking at crowds of tens of thousands of people, deduce their religious and regional affiliations. Could you also tell their lines of employment and marital status merely by looking???

Abortion is the law of the land (US). Licentiousness is common to all groups as is teaching moral behaviour.

So if some activity is legal, then we should just accept it? If a licentious practice is common to all groups, then just let it go by?

[Athos]

yes athiests

What makes you think I'm an atheist?

[tomder55]

Yeah this was the narrative that the Dems were building up to with the show trial impeachment . They are going to follow it up with a bogus 9-11 type commission ;and already have legislation in the works that will be a domestic terrorism bill targeting specifically and only white supremist as they define it .

https://schneider.house.gov/media/pr...troduced-house

https://www.lawfareblog.com/2021-nda...stic-extremism

They will then link as many Republicans as they can to white supremist; especially any and all Republicans who advanced the narrative that the election was stolen .


https://www.newsweek.com/alexandria-...hizers-1565039

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...cy-racist-vote

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/08/us/bl...ial/index.html


There was only one charge they could've made against Trump that had even the hint of legitimacy ... and that was dereliction of duty . Trump failed to dispatch troops to repel the breach of the Capitol . So he failed in his role as CIC . But the House managers did not bring that up . When the House managers brought up Trump as CIC they ridiculously tried to contend that he is the CIC of not just the armed forces ;but of every American ;including the ones who rioted at the Capitol.....who believed they were taking "orders " from their CIC to 'fight like hell" .



Heck they only mentioned Office Brian Sicknick in passing . Of course we now know why . The narrative about his death has been false and maybe intentionally reported wrong . The narrative we have been lead to believe was that he had his head bashed by rioters . That was a false report ....fake news .
The truth was that he had a stroke . He did not die from his injuries as was falsely reported also . He claimed to his brother that he had been pepper sprayed ;but that he was fine . He was not taken to the hospital as reported .He made it back to police headquarters . The Slimes quietly made a semi-correction of it's reporting after the impeachment trial was over . But his death at the hands of the rioters was a major argument in favor of the impeachment in the House . So it was puzzling why the House managers barely brought it up . Now you know why .

[talaniman]

You should be a lawyer for the terrorist right wing supremists. Or a dufus lawyer. They both could USE you to advance their narrative. Or are they advancing your narrative. Can't tell anymore nor can I tell an evangelist from a dufus.

In self defense I can only reject them both.

[tomder55]

To help you along . I am not an evangelical or a white supremist .

If you support that legislation then maybe you should look in the mirror when tossing out the word 'dufus'

It’s one thing to investigate and prosecute illegal activity. It’s something else to monitor Americans and report on their activities in the belief that they may seek to commit illegal activities in the future.
If the thought of the feds having increased powers to surveille Americans doesn't concern you then it should .In the 50s it was the American left that came under national policing scrutiny . How short a memory ! The same powers granted to the Feds to target the right can easily be turned on the left.

[jlisenbe]

If you support that legislation then maybe you should look in the mirror when tossing out the word 'dufus'

So very true.

[talaniman]

Hey dude, white supremacy has been a rising threat for a while and that means mitigating that threat and if repubs or ANYBODY associated with them takes a perp walk then so be it. If your saying IGNORE that threat sorry can't agree. I know it's hard to find anything but raving maniacs in America nowadays but short of a civil war we still have to do the work to protect democracy.

That's the problem. We're so busy fighting the culture stuff we cannot do the work that need to be done in good orderly fashion.

[jlisenbe]

To help you along . I am not an evangelical or a white supremist .

I am an evangelical, but like you not a white supremacist. In fact in my 67 years, I've never met one. I know a lot of white people, but have literally never met a WS. Saw a little group of KKKers when I was a teen. We all thought they simply looked like idiots. But being a WS is no more the government's business than being a black supremacist, a female supremacist, or a latino supremacist. People are entitled to their prejudices no matter how misguided they may be. It's the violent crowd that should worry us. Those come in all colors and in both genders. Targeting a specific crowd is foolish and likely has a suspicious political agenda attached to it.

[talaniman]

Get the guys with the means and criminal intent, and have done so before. That is the business of government. White Supremist falls in that category.

[jlisenbe]

People are entitled to their prejudices no matter how misguided they may be.

Funny how most people want to have their own ideas about life, but don't want to allow others that same privilege. Thoughts and beliefs are not a problem until they translate into actions. It is actions that should be targeted, and not beliefs. Even more amazingly, the anti WS crowd is nearly always the pro-abortion crowd. I guess they are just selective in being against violence. They are OK with violence that doesn't target them.