[jlisenbe]

Nope. It's pure science.

Except, of course, that you have no science to back it up. So yeah, it's just a belief.

Take off your blinders and read with your honesty glasses. Today's news: Guiliani's daughter is pansexual. Guess I'll post an article on what happens to fetuses and their chromosomes.

Yes, I'm sure you will, just like you were going to give us the scientific evidence for those "broken chromosomes" you were so excited about a few weeks ago. Except, of course, that there is not a shred of evidence linking genetics to the transgender situation. There is no science to back up "pansexual", either. It's just the latest liberal fad, and you are gullible enough to run after them whenever they come around. So if you ever come up with anything in the SCIENTIFIC LITERATURE to back this stuff up, then feel free to post it. Note: "LGBT to the Highest" is not in the scientific literature. You are precisely where Romans 1 says you will be.

Then they say 'at least we tried '........while using other people's money .

Exactly correct. It's the equivalent of A and B caring so much for C that they are willing to force D to give C some money, and then claim to be of high moral standing for doing so.

[talaniman]

It has nothing to do with free thinking. It's science! We (humans, animals, insects, plants) are not strictly binary. Between male and female, there are many, many variations.

In fact, "the gender spectrum is an understanding that gender is not binary (female/male), but rather a spectrum of biological, mental and emotional traits that exist along a continuum. In contrast, the gender binary--also called gender binarism or genderism—is a belief that gender is composed of two distinct and opposite genders (female and male) in which there is not overlap."
https://cadehildreth.com/gender-spectrum/

You cannot expect the non science group to embrace that which destroys their belief in the world they are comfortable with WG. I mean their heads are still exploding over gay marriage, minority voters, and climate change.

[Wondergirl]

You cannot expect the non science group to embrace that which destroys their belief in the world they are comfortable with WG. I mean their heads are still exploding over gay marriage, minority voters, and climate change.

...and accepting POC as equals and as vital parts of society -- now on tv sitcoms and drama shows, in many ads on tv and in newspspers and magazines, as healthcare/education/political professionals. As Dr. Seuss titled his last children's book to be published, "Oh, the places [we'll] go!"

[jlisenbe]

Just waiting to see all that science from the “science group”. In fact I’d like to see ANY science at all. Of course you might want to learn some science first. For instance, “it’s true cause I say so” is not actually science. Just sayin.

[paraclete]

science, the art of repeating an observation and concocting a theory based on that observation

[jlisenbe]

Fraid not. You left off a step.

[Wondergirl]

Just waiting to see all that science from the “science group”.

First, you have to understand these two terms: sex and gender.
"The difference between sex and gender is that sex is a biological concept based on biological characteristics such as difference in genitalia in male and female. Gender, on the other hand, primarily deals with personal, societal and cultural perceptions of sexuality."

Males and females both possess 46 chromosomes, as well as two sex chromosomes. Females have two X chromosomes, whereas males possess 1 X chromosome and 1 Y chromosome.

Some women are born with a Y (male) chromosome, and men can have 2 or even 3 X (female) chromosomes. Intersex humans have sexual characteristics of both men and women. An estrogen drug, DES, was given to pregnant women from the '30s into the '70s in order to prevent miscarriage. Guess what happened when male-appearing babies were born!

[jlisenbe]

What is your source?

Your definition of "gender" is a purely theoretical construct. Do you have any idea where that "definition" came from?

Some women are born with a Y (male) chromosome, and men can have 2 or even 3 X (female) chromosomes. Intersex humans have sexual characteristics of both men and women. An estrogen drug, DES, was given to pregnant women from the '30s into the '70s in order to prevent miscarriage. Guess what happened when male-appearing babies were born!

Those are all well known genetic disorders. I studied some of them in college nearly 50 years ago. They have nothing to do with this insanity. These are the "genders" recognized in New York.

1. Bi-gendered
2. Cross-dresser
3. Drag King
4. Drag Queen
5. Femme Queen
6. Female-to-Male
7. FTM
8. Gender Bender
9. Genderqueer
10. Male-to-Female
11. MTF
12. Non-Op
13. HIJRA
14. Pangender
15. Transexual/Transsexual
16. Trans Person
17. Woman
18. Man
19. Butch
20. Two-Spirit
21. Trans
22. Agender
23. Third Sex
24. Gender Fluid
25. Non-Binary Transgender
26. Androgyne
27. Gender Gifted
28. Gender Blender
29. Femme
30. Person of Transgender Experience
31. Androgynous

[talaniman]

There appears to be much on the subject if not settled science.

Between the (Gender) Lines: the Science of Transgender Identity - Science in the News (harvard.edu)

A sex difference in the hypothalamic uncinate nucleus: relationship to gender identity - PubMed (nih.gov)

Everybody is entitled to their own beliefs...with or without evidence.

[paraclete]

Everybody is entitled to their own beliefs...with or without evidence.

so much for science which suggests that the science is settled and there can only be one belief

[jlisenbe]

Everyone is entitled to their own PERSONAL beliefs. I would agree with that, but when you start trying to impose those beliefs on the rest of us, you need more than simple belief.

[talaniman]

so much for science which suggests that the science is settled and there can only be one belief

No, science suggests possibilities to explore until it is settled. You are free to believe whatever you choose!

Both can't be updated with new data.

[paraclete]

everything can be updated with new data

[jlisenbe]

Clete, did the big quake near NZ affect you guys any?

[talaniman]

No, science suggests possibilities to explore until it is settled. You are free to believe whatever you choose!

Both can't be updated with new data.

Oops! Meant to type CAN be! Fat fingers me.

[paraclete]

Clete, did the big quake near NZ affect you guys any?

There might have been some one foot waves at Norfolk Island. New Zealand is to far away and would deflect any Tsunami and the Kermadec Islands another 1,000 KM. One of my friends in NZ was woken by it. Thanks for your concern

[jlisenbe]

I somehow thought NZ was closer to you.

[paraclete]

NZ is about 1,500 miles from where I live. We are a long way from anywhere here

[tomder55]

California has proposed a bill to ban boys and girls sections in toy and clothing stores to create a “safe space” for children.They want to fine retailers $1,000 for using the words “boy” and girl”

[jlisenbe]

You can always count on Cally.