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    #101

    Jan 21, 2021, 12:56 AM
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    Is Pelosi going to file charges of impeachment against Biden since this riot occurred on his very first day in office? I have a funny feeling that this is the first of many to come. No doubt the liberal dem mayor of Portland will come forward with his usual vigorous response to the property damage.

    At least things are back to normal with left wing, dem-leaning groups doing the rioting.

    "Portland rioters damage ICE building; police declare 'unlawful assembly'"

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/anti-bide...ortland-police

    Err no, but why I hear you say.
    The answer is right at the lead.
    a demonstration against Biden and law enforcement
    Were as storming the Capitol was urged on by Mr T, quite a difference.
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    #102

    Jan 21, 2021, 12:59 AM
    Were as storming the Capitol was urged on by Mr T, quite a difference.
    You should become a fiction writer. You're very good at it, and especially when you can turn "peaceful and patriotic" into "urged on by Mr. T." Very impressive imagination!
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    #103

    Jan 21, 2021, 05:03 AM
    10 months of violence ;arson ,vandalism ,assault of Federal buildings and on Federal personnel in Portland was called 'mostly peaceful' . Why should yesterday change anything ?
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    Jan 21, 2021, 08:47 AM
    One day won't change years of pent up frustrations. Especially among the fringers...from both sides.

    Protests are the American way, violence should not be tolerated.

    Comparing the Portland stuff to the capital stuff is fringer propaganda. LOONY!
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    #105

    Jan 21, 2021, 11:03 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    You should become a fiction writer. You're very good at it, and especially when you can turn "peaceful and patriotic" into "urged on by Mr. T." Very impressive imagination!
    [Trump] called them to the rally. He told them that the future of our country was at stake, that the election had been stolen from him and that weakness could not be an answer. "Peaceful and patriotic" were tossed in at the end of his yelling when few were still listening.
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    Jan 21, 2021, 11:28 AM
    I think that most of the dufus supporters were peaceful, but like the left the right wing has it's own fringers with bad intentions that makes the whole crowd look bad.
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    #107

    Jan 21, 2021, 11:39 AM
    [Trump] called them to the rally. He told them that the future of our country was at stake, that the election had been stolen from him and that weakness could not be an answer. "Peaceful and patriotic" were tossed in at the end of his yelling when few were still listening.
    And then he said, "Now go out there and invade the Capitol Building!!". Uhm...no, he didn't say that. I abhor what a small portion of the crowd did, and those should absolutely be arrested and charged. You know, kind of like what was NOT done to BLM protestors. But I understand their anger, and I think it has at some basis in fact. It is not going to go away.
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    #108

    Jan 21, 2021, 11:49 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    And then he said, "Now go out there and invade the Capitol Building!!". Uhm...no, he didn't say that. I abhor what a small portion of the crowd did, and those should absolutely be arrested and charged. You know, kind of like what was NOT done to BLM protestors. But I understand their anger, and I think it has at some basis in fact. It is not going to go away.
    ***No doubt the president's supporters will cite the "peacefully" part in his defense. But after two months of bizarre conspiracy theories, constant presidential complaints about a stolen election, declarations that conceding Biden's victory is not an option, and repeated warnings that the fate of the nation hangs in the balance, that is more weight than a single adverb can bear.***
    https://reason.com/2021/01/06/here-i...d-the-capitol/
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    #109

    Jan 21, 2021, 11:51 AM
    declarations that conceding Biden's victory is not an option,
    He followed the advice given by HC to Biden months ago.

    I think your attempt to suggest that Trump intended to incite insurrection, if that is what you are suggesting, is simply absurd.
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    #110

    Jan 21, 2021, 12:03 PM
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    I think your attempt to suggest that Trump intended to incite insurrection, if that is what you are suggesting, is simply absurd.
    Um, it certainly doesn't take much to get people riled up and thus incite insurrection. Be a playground monitor someday or a kindergarten teacher. Easy to whip up unsophisticated minds.
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    Jan 21, 2021, 12:13 PM
    Um, it certainly doesn't take much to get people riled up and thus incite insurrection. Be a playground monitor someday or a kindergarten teacher. Easy to whip up unsophisticated minds.
    You forget that I have vastly more experience with elem. kids than you do. As to the rest, if you want to impeach Trump for getting, "people riled up", then go for it. That is not encouraging insurrection. But you'll also have to impeach Maxine Waters, Bernie Sanders, Nancy Pelosi, and a host of other dems.

    Deal?
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    #112

    Jan 21, 2021, 01:24 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    You forget that I have vastly more experience with elem. kids than you do.
    Thus, you know I am correct!
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    Jan 21, 2021, 02:25 PM
    News flash. The people who stormed the Capitol were not elem. kids.

    I guess you declined the deal.
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    Jan 21, 2021, 02:39 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    News flash. The people who stormed the Capitol were not elem. kids.

    I guess you declined the deal.
    As I said (more reading comprehension problems?), "it certainly doesn't take much to get people riled up and thus incite insurrection." And then I compared it to riling up kids on a playground or to stirring up kindergarteners.

    In fact, since the people who stormed the Capitol were NOT elem. kids (and not even kindergarteners, though they acted like kindergarteners who desperately needed a time-out), those people were adults and shudda knowed better.
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    Jan 21, 2021, 03:02 PM
    jlisenbe, remember what I said earlier about incendiary rhetoric, that includes twisting things and arguing the toss.
    We all like a good discussion, but this has dropped to playground level.
    Really not acceptable.
    Black isn't white and what's done is done.
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    #116

    Jan 21, 2021, 03:58 PM
    In fact, since the people who stormed the Capitol were NOT elem. kids (and not even kindergarteners, though they acted like kindergarteners who desperately needed a time-out), those people were adults and shudda knowed better.
    I think everyone here agrees that what was done was terrible. The problem is when liberal dems suggest Trump was inciting insurrection. It's just an absurd suggestion that is completely untrue. And if you had made similar remarks about the BLM protestors, your statement would be much more acceptable and meaningful.

    CBen, if you want to refer to something specific, then feel free to. I don't know how to respond to something like, "...that includes twisting things and arguing the toss."
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    #117

    Jan 21, 2021, 04:14 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    The problem is when liberal dems suggest Trump was inciting insurrection. It's just an absurd suggestion that is completely untrue.
    It's on many videos.
    And if you had made similar remarks about the BLM protestors, your statement would be much more acceptable and meaningful.
    I had stated at that time that the troublemakers were opportunists who wanted to smash and grab plus insurrectionists who were now grownups and were there only to show off their "power" and yelling ability. (Mommie had shushed them when they were still living at home and even made them sit on the naughty chair.) The REAL BLM protesters behaved themselves and did their lawful protesting.
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    #118

    Jan 21, 2021, 04:18 PM
    The REAL BLM protesters behaved themselves and did their lawful protesting.
    How do you know that?
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    Jan 21, 2021, 04:33 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    How do you know that?
    I watched on tv the live action. I later watched videos. I saw who was legally protesting with signs and chants. I saw others (heads/upper bodies covered with hoodies, faces covered, carrying clubs, guns, knives) who had no interest in protesting but went about hither and yon -- smashing, grabbing, looting, setting fires, pushing and shoving protesters.
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    Jan 21, 2021, 04:57 PM
    So in other words, you really don't know. You just think that is true. I could say that I think the Capitol protestors are not your usual Trump supporters because I watched on tv the live action. I later watched videos. I saw who was legally protesting with signs and chants. I saw others (heads/upper bodies covered with masks, faces covered, carrying clubs, guns, knives) who had no interest in protesting but went about hither and yon -- smashing, grabbing, looting, setting fires, pushing and shoving protesters.

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