[Athos]

Nah. Just remember the lying fashion in which you quoted him. It's a matter of record.

My Aquinas statement was explained to you since you didn't seem able to comprehend the point. It's a matter of record.

I notice that you deflected (avoided) from answering the Black Lives Matter explanation I made, the Trump rhetoric, the Maxine Waters use of "fight", and the Democratic response to the mass shootings while the Republicans did NOTHING.

Par for the course.

[jlisenbe]

I comprehended that your “explanation” was a bunch of unsupported garbage with no other intention than to excuse what you did.

Your long winded statement was nonsense.

[Athos]

I comprehended that your “explanation” was a bunch of unsupported garbage with no other intention than to excuse what you did.

Your long winded statement was nonsense.

As I wrote, par for the course. No cogent responses.

[jlisenbe]

Nothing cogent to respond to.

[jlisenbe]

Another cry for peace from that famous peace-nik, Maxine Waters. "Asked about the Chauvin murder trial in nearby Minneapolis, Waters told reporters if the former police officer isn't found guilty of murdering Floyd, "We've got to stay on the street and we've got to get more active, we've got to get more confrontational. We've got to make sure that they know that we mean business."

[paraclete]

Judged in the court of public opinion, hard to see how he could get a fair trial even if he were innocent

[Athos]

Nothing cogent to respond to.

There was plenty there. Read it again.

[talaniman]

I see the problem! Some people don't know bad behavior let alone murder when they see it. Go ahead ask for evidence and show your utter ignorance.

I know and respect good cops, but the bad ones need prosecution. Like the female in Minnesota who mistook her own gun for a taser, and the cop in Chicago who shot a kid.

That just this week.

[Athos]

Another cry for peace from that famous peace-nik, Maxine Waters. "Asked about the Chauvin murder trial in nearby Minneapolis, Waters told reporters if the former police officer isn't found guilty of murdering Floyd, "We've got to stay on the street and we've got to get more active, we've got to get more confrontational. We've got to make sure that they know that we mean business."

What do you suggest we do if he's not found guilty of murder - a murder witnessed by millions of people. Confrontation is mild. What is really needed is a revamping of police policies and procedures in every state in the union. And less idiocy from people like you.

Judged in the court of public opinion, hard to see how he could get a fair trial even if he were innocent

The court of public opinion does not bring accused criminals to trial. As to the actual trial, it has been as fair as possible. The verdict is expected next week.

[jlisenbe]

What do you suggest we do if he's not found guilty of murder - a murder witnessed by millions of people. Confrontation is mild. What is really needed is a revamping of police policies and procedures in every state in the union. And less idiocy from people like you.

So you're agreeing with MW that it would be OK to have riots if the verdict is innocent?

As to the actual trial, it has been as fair as possible.

You have no idea if that is true or not.

[Athos]

So you're agreeing with MW that it would be OK to have riots if the verdict is innocent?

She did not say that and you know she did not. Stop twisting words and their meanings to suit your bias.

Fm Athos: As to the actual trial, it has been as fair as possible.

Fm Jl: You have no idea if that is true or not.

Of course, I do. I have an excellent idea. I've watched it every day. Sidebars with the Judge, witness testimonies, prosecutor's questions, defense questions, cross and re-direct examinations, videos of the murder, and the accused invoking the 5th Amendment against self-incrimination.

Ensuring fairness is a huge reason it is being televised.

Now I'll give you my opinion: The evidence is overwhelming that Chauvin is guilty as charged, way beyond a reasonable doubt.

[talaniman]

So you're agreeing with MW that it would be OK to have riots if the verdict is innocent?

You have no idea if that is true or not.

You would have to be dense or very biased to equate confrontation with rioting.

She did not say that and you know she did not. Stop twisting words and their meanings to suit your bias.





Of course, I do. I have an excellent idea. I've watched it every day. Sidebars with the Judge, witness testimonies, prosecutor's questions, defense questions, cross and re-direct examinations, videos of the murder, and the accused invoking the 5th Amendment against self-incrimination.

Ensuring fairness is a huge reason it is being televised.

Now I'll give you my opinion: The evidence is overwhelming that Chauvin is guilty as charged, way beyond a reasonable doubt.

Dead on to ALL the points.

[jlisenbe]

She did not say that and you know she did not. Stop twisting words and their meanings to suit your bias.

It worked well enough for you guys with Trump. You had no problem in twisting his words to suit your bias, despite the fact he plainly spoke of a peaceful protest. Besides, say anything you want, but this does not sound peaceful to me. "We've got to stay on the street and we've got to get more active, we've got to get more confrontational. We've got to make sure that they know that we mean business."

Of course, I do. I have an excellent idea. I've watched it every day. Sidebars with the Judge, witness testimonies, prosecutor's questions, defense questions, cross and re-direct examinations, videos of the murder, and the accused invoking the 5th Amendment against self-incrimination.

Then why is it you were so certain of this? "Not a single witness testified that Floyd likely would have survived if not for several underlying med conditions. NOT ONE! You're making this up out of whole cloth." How is it you were totally unaware that, as CNN reported, "Maryland's former chief medical examiner testified for Derek Chauvin's defense on Wednesday that George Floyd died due to his underlying heart disease -- not the police restraint." How did you manage to not know that, having watched it everyday as you claim to have done?

Now I'll give you my opinion: The evidence is overwhelming that Chauvin is guilty as charged, way beyond a reasonable doubt.

You are certainly welcome to your opinion.

[Wondergirl]

It worked well enough for you guys with Trump. You had no problem in twisting his words to suit your bias, despite the fact he plainly spoke of a peaceful protest.

His aides pleaded with him to say that AT THE END as his supporters were already headed toward the Capitol. For weeks NO! for MONTHS he had been whipping them up and being anything but peaceful in his rages and shouting.

[talaniman]

Takeaways from Day 13 of the Derek Chauvin Trial - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

Dr. David Fowler, a former chief medical examiner of Maryland who has testified in numerous high-profile police use-of-force cases, told jurors that he believed Mr. Floyd died after a combination of factors — including pre-existing heart conditions, drug use and exposure to vehicle exhaust from the police cruiser that he was next to — caused his heart to stop.
“You put all of those together, it’s very difficult to say which of those is the most accurate,” he said, characterizing Mr. Floyd’s cause of death as “undetermined.”

Dr. Fowler’s testimony pointed to multiple possible causes of death other than Mr. Chauvin’s restraint: drug use, pre-existing heart conditions, even the exhaust from the vehicle that Mr. Floyd was pinned next to. Still, the prosecution came away with some victories, including that Dr. Fowler said sudden cardiac arrest is often reversible and that Mr. Floyd should have been given medical attention.

[Athos]

It worked well enough for you guys with Trump. You had no problem in twisting his words to suit your bias, despite the fact he plainly spoke of a peaceful protest. Besides, say anything you want, but this does not sound peaceful to me. "We've got to stay on the street and we've got to get more active, we've got to get more confrontational. We've got to make sure that they know that we mean business."

This is fully answered in post # 449 - both the Trump business and Maxine waters.

Then why is it you were so certain of this? "Not a single witness testified that Floyd likely would have survived if not for several underlying med conditions. NOT ONE! You're making this up out of whole cloth." How is it you were totally unaware that, as CNN reported, "Maryland's former chief medical examiner testified for Derek Chauvin's defense on Wednesday that George Floyd died due to his underlying heart disease -- not the police restraint." How did you manage to not know that, having watched it everyday as you claim to have done?

This one is answered in Tal's post #475.

[jlisenbe]

His aides pleaded with him to say that AT THE END as his supporters were already headed toward the Capitol. For weeks NO! for MONTHS he had been whipping them up and being anything but peaceful in his rages and shouting.

Oh please. His rhetoric was no more aggressive than MW's. In fact, hers was moreso, or at least I think it was.

This one is answered in Tal's post #475.

I don't read Tal's posts. You're the one who made the mistake. You need to clean it up. Just being honest enough to admit you missed it would be a good start.

[Wondergirl]

Oh please. His rhetoric was no more aggressive than MW's. In fact, hers was moreso, or at least I think it was.

From newsweek.com fact check:
"Since the election in November, Trump and many of his allies have touted the unproven claims of mass election fraud. Former U.S. Attorney General William Barr announced in December that the Department of Justice uncovered no evidence of widespread voter fraud that could change the outcome of the 2020 election. All of the evidence Trump's team presented to try to prove voter fraud has been dismissed and he lost 61 of the 62 lawsuits filed challenging the presidential election results.

Still, up until the official certification of election results, Trump continued to push this false narrative to his most ardent supporters."

Then:
Trump reiterated "false claims that 'we won this election and we won it in a landslide'" and "willfully made statements that, in context, encourages and foreseeably resulted in lawless action at the Capitol." These statements include: "if you don't fight like hell you're not going to have a country anymore."

The president did say that the crowd was going to march peacefully and patriotically to the Capitol. After the attack, Trump said he does not condone violence.

However, it does not necessarily mean the president did not incite violence with the rest of his speech or in his rhetoric prior to January 6.

[jlisenbe]

"if you don't fight like hell you're not going to have a country anymore."

Sounds a lot like this, doesn't it? "“They’re not going to be able to go to a restaurant, they’re not going to be able to stop at a gas station, they’re not going to be able to shop at a department store,” Waters said. “The people are going to turn on them, they’re going to protest, they’re going to absolutely harass them.”

Want to guess who said that?

[Athos]

I don't read Tal's posts.

If you don't read, you don't get your answer. Simple as that.