[Wondergirl]

The article said nothing about that, thus your "thus" is really a stretch.

I said "thus" because I had just quoted this from Tom's article:
"Studies and investigations of outbreaks all point to the majority of transmissions occurring as a result of infected people spewing out large droplets and small particles called aerosols when they cough, talk or breathe. These can be directly inhaled by people close by."

Those droplets are inhaled by people who have had both shots and, in turn, spew them at unvaccinated people.

[Athos]

So why does my hematologist and his medical staff, who've gotten both shots, continue to wear masks and maintain social distancing from their patients? Why??? So they don't spread covid bacteria in droplets that unsymptomatic patients cough, sneeze, and breathe on them and that they then inhale and spread to unvaccinated patients.

WG, your FACTS will never penetrate the thick skull of Jl. He's one of those people who are self-obsessed with his own "truth".

Remember, this is the guy who believes that Jesus God created billions and billions of human beings so that he could send them to his private torture chamber for all eternity. Their crime? They never heard of Jesus so they couldn't/didn't believe in what they never heard.

I wish I were making this up, but I'm not. It's a common belief among evangelicals.

[jlisenbe]

I said "thus" because I had just quoted this from Tom's article:
"Studies and investigations of outbreaks all point to the majority of transmissions occurring as a result of infected people spewing out large droplets and small particles called aerosols when they cough, talk or breathe. These can be directly inhaled by people close by."

That was indeed in the article.

Those droplets are inhaled by people who have had both shots and, in turn, spew them at unvaccinated people.

That is your wild guess conjecture. Thus your "thus" is completely ridiculous. I don't think there is anything out there to support that. If there is, bring it forward. So far you most definitely have not.

I wish I were making this up,

Making things up is your specialty. You're the best I've ever seen at it, and your post above one of your best efforts.

[Wondergirl]

I don't think there is anything out there to support that.

Here's one of many:
https://news.yahoo.com/covid-19-vacc...100051308.html

Making things up is your specialty. You're the best I've ever seen at it, and your post above one of your best efforts.

Wow! Such nastiness -- and at Easter no less!

[jlisenbe]

Wow! Such nastiness -- and at Easter no less!

Truthfulness is not nastiness. And remember that you have abrogated your position as the civility police. It takes a good example to do that.

As to your article, it says this. "Preliminary information from Israel found people who received the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine did not develop COVID-19 symptoms or transmit the disease, according to a Pfizer statement released March 11." So is that the support you were referring to? Do you even read these links you post???

[Wondergirl]

Do you even read these links you post???

Still cherry-picking, I see. Why do I bother???

If you'd read the entire article, you would have read this:

"And while transmission may be greatly reduced by vaccines, the chances of spreading the virus is not zero, said Michael Mina, an infectious disease epidemiologist at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health.

People should continue to diligently wear their masks, regardless of vaccination status, until cases are low."

[jlisenbe]

Still cherry-picking, I see. Why do I bother???

Why do you bother to use an article that directly contradicts your premise??? Now that's a great question.

BTW, you need to learn the difference between "cherry-picking" and contradicting. They are not the same thing.

"And while transmission may be greatly reduced by vaccines, the chances of spreading the virus is not zero, said Michael Mina, an infectious disease epidemiologist at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health.

That does not even come close to supporting your wild idea.

[Wondergirl]

Why do you bother to use an article that directly contradicts your premise??? Now that's a great question.

Nope, you didn't read it. I added to my previous post.

The very first three paragraphs say:

"When COVID-19 vaccinations began, U.S. health officials encouraged vaccinated Americans to continue wearing masks in public because scientists were still unsure if they could carry the virus that causes the disease after being inoculated.

Recent results from real-world studies show the COVID-19 vaccines protect against asymptomatic infection, suggesting they also drastically reduce virus transmission.

But health experts still recommend wearing masks in public, regardless of vaccination status, as more research is needed to confirm whether vaccinated people can spread the virus and as variants become more prevalent in the U.S. and states see cases spikes."

[jlisenbe]

And I replied to your reply.

Not real sure what part of this your are struggling to understand. ""Preliminary information from Israel found people who received the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine did not develop COVID-19 symptoms or transmit the disease,"

"When COVID-19 vaccinations began, U.S. health officials encouraged vaccinated Americans to continue wearing masks in public because scientists were still unsure if they could carry the virus that causes the disease after being inoculated.

Recent results from real-world studies show the COVID-19 vaccines protect against asymptomatic infection, suggesting they also drastically reduce virus transmission.

But health experts still recommend wearing masks in public, regardless of vaccination status, as more research is needed to confirm whether vaccinated people can spread the virus and as variants become more prevalent in the U.S. and states see cases spikes."

And nothing there supported your wild conjecture that vaccinated people would inhale droplets from infected people and then pass those on to healthy people. It is not there.

[Wondergirl]

And I replied to your reply.

Yay for Israel. Now, what's going on in the U.S.???

[jlisenbe]

Yay for Germany. Now what's going on in Alaska?

[Athos]

Making things up is your specialty. You're the best I've ever seen at it, and your post above one of your best efforts.

Yeah, then deny this, pal.

Remember, this is the guy who believes that Jesus God created billions and billions of human beings so that he could send them to his private torture chamber for all eternity. Their crime? They never heard of Jesus so they couldn't/didn't believe in what they never heard.

I wish I were making this up, but I'm not. It's a common belief among evangelicals.

I noticed you didn't deny it. You skipped right over it. Instead, you did your usual insult thing trying to deflect and get away from what you can't deny.

Tell us more about your Christianity. The one where you put hate in Jesus' message to replace love. We're listening.

[jlisenbe]

Never said it. It’s just your make believe at work again.

[Athos]

Never said it. It’s just your make believe at work again.

Answer this:

Did God wipe out all humanity except for Noah et al?
Is Jesus God?
Did you quote the Gospel claiming there was hell waiting for those who did not accept Jesus?

Tell the truth, now. God is watching.

[jlisenbe]

The Bible says He did.
the Bible teaches Jesus is God.
no. That was a quote from Jesus out of Mt. 25.
Yes, God is indeed watching us both.

[Athos]

The Bible says He did.
the Bible teaches Jesus is God.
no. That was a quote from Jesus out of Mt. 25.
Yes, God is indeed watching us both.

The question was Did you quote the Gospel? You said NO, and then you said That was a quote from jesus. So what is it - YES or NO?

Your attempts to get out of what you've been saying here for years are so transparent, I'm almost ashamed for you. ALMOST, but not quite!

Do you not believe the Bible? If so, then why do you try to avoid that, by always saying the Bible said so? Does that relieve you of any culpability? Say, for claiming God wiped out the entire human race in a flood?

Why can't you man up and just say what YOU believe? Not what the Bible says, but what YOU believe? You can't do it, can you?

You know it's ridiculous that God should send the majority of humanity to his own private torture chamber for eternity, but you can't bring yourself to admit that, can you? You'll just put it in the lap of the Bible.

Did you ever consider that the Bible has so many strange verses, that it can't possibly be literally true? You're a victim, Jl, of your own lack of discernment - a gift God gives to all of us.

[paraclete]

Answer this:

Did God wipe out all humanity except for Noah et al?
Is Jesus God?
Did you quote the Gospel claiming there was hell waiting for those who did not accept Jesus?

Tell the truth, now. God is watching.

you know the answer stop avoiding the question

[jlisenbe]

The question was Did you quote the Gospel? You said NO, and then you said That was a quote from jesus. So what is it - YES or NO?

There is no book called "the Gospel", so it can't be quoted. I try to be careful with my words.

Your attempts to get out of what you've been saying here for years are so transparent, I'm almost ashamed for you. ALMOST, but not quite!

I've changed nothing.

Do you not believe the Bible? If so, then why do you try to avoid that, by always saying the Bible said so? Does that relieve you of any culpability? Say, for claiming God wiped out the entire human race in a flood?

Why can't you man up and just say what YOU believe? Not what the Bible says, but what YOU believe? You can't do it, can you?

Because it makes no difference what I believe. No one will be judged on the basis of what I believe. Truth is not established by what I believe. It is established by what the Bible says, and that's why I continually resort to the Bible, and it's why I continually encourage you to believe the Bible as do I.

Did you ever consider that the Bible has so many strange verses, that it can't possibly be literally true? You're a victim, Jl, of your own lack of discernment - a gift God gives to all of us.

And so we arrive at the source of our disagreement. You consider that the Bible means...whatever you think it means. I believe it is a literal representation of God's will. So when Jesus said, "Whoever belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God," I think He literally meant what He said. What do you think of that?

[jlisenbe]

you know the answer stop avoiding the question

Read more carefully. Think.

[paraclete]

No, you think for a change, endless argument is not what Christians are intended to do, it is what the jews did and their religion wasn't spread as it was supposed to be. we present the truth, respond or don't respond, beyond that we cannot convince anyone