[Athos]

To Waltero -

So you understand there is a place called Hell?

Only in your fevered imagination.

Why would an all loving God allow somebody to suffer for one day

For the same reason a parent would.

(eternity is irrelevant)?

Which would you prefer? One day's suffering or an eternity of torture? Now answer your own question.

Should a Christian understand that God would allow his word (the word that we put our faith in) to be corrupted and looked on with doubt?

Should a Christian understand that God would allow his word to Cain to be corrupted and slay Abel? Should a Christian understand God would allow his word to humanity to be corrupted and slain in a flood? Now answer your own question.

Is one denomination more Christian than another?

See Religious Discussions for this question. It's answered there.

Is one Bible interpolation more God than another?

Rephrase this question so it makes sense.

[waltero]

God has provided us with the proper translation. The Bible and Jesus are one and the same.
A place has been prepared for fallen Angels.
A day is as 1000 years...Suffering for a day?
Different denominations are meat to some and milk to others.
If you don't understand Hell, speaking in tongues, healing, baptism, proof, evidence etc.

Know that God has provided.


Live for today and tomorrow will never Die.

[Athos]

God has provided us with the proper translation. The Bible and Jesus are one and the same.
A place has been prepared for fallen Angels.
A day is as 1000 years.
Different denominations are meat to some and milk to others.
If you don't understand Hell, speaking in tongues, healing, baptism, proof, evidence etc.

Know that God has provided.

I'm sorry, Walter. I shouldn't have bothered you. Best of luck to you.

[Wondergirl]

God has provided us with the proper translation.

And that translation is...?

The Bible and Jesus are one and the same.

I don't know what that means.

[jlisenbe]

So you understand there is a place called Hell?


Only in your fevered imagination.

There and in a couple of dozen statements by Jesus to that effect, and then several others by the Apostles. Stange how widespread that "fevered imagination" is, isn't it?

[Athos]

There and in a couple of dozen statements by Jesus to that effect, and then several others by the Apostles. Stange how widespread that "fevered imagination" is, isn't it?

That fevered imagination belongs equally to you.

Why have you not answered the question posed in post #277? You can't evade it forever, as much as you would like to. Or will you just give us more evasions?

To help you, here it is again --

Which one is true - Matthew's passage or God's love? Both can't be true. Would an unconditionally loving God cast his creatures into his personal torture chamber for all eternity simply because they never heard of or believed in Jesus? Of course not!

Bring on the evasions.

[jlisenbe]

First you need to make a Biblical case for God's love and acceptance being unconditional. If you can't do that, then your question becomes senseless. And please don't go down your usual path of monstrous beliefs, supposed evasiveness, and so forth. Simply make a case from the Bible for God's love and acceptance being unconditional.

Hint. Don't start in John 3:16. It works against your idea.
Also bear in mind that "Matthew's passage" shows the very words of Christ.

[Athos]

First you need to make a Biblical case for God's love and acceptance being unconditional. If you can't do that, then your question becomes senseless. And please don't go down your usual path of monstrous beliefs, supposed evasiveness, and so forth. Simply make a case from the Bible for God's love and acceptance being unconditional.

I sure as hell don't need you to tell me how to make "my case". Your need to have everything conform to your idea of the Bible is utter nonsense. I also do not need you to tell me to not refer to "monstrous beliefs", your evasiveness, and so forth. I see those comments are getting to you.

Best for all concerned is simply you answering the question posed in post #277. It's becoming more and more obvious you can't - or won't. Probably a little of each. Yet the question remains, as simple as can be. Stop evading.

Hint. Don't start in John 3:16.

I have no intention to.

Also bear in mind that "Matthew's passage" shows the very words of Christ.

Hint. Are you sure about that?

[jlisenbe]

I sure as hell don't need you to tell me how to make "my case".

It's not that you don't need to; it's that you can't, which is as I thought it was. The Bible does not present God's love and acceptance as unconditional, or at least not in the sense you want it to be. Anyone who wants to say it does should be able to present support for that. But at least your question has now been shown to be senseless. The Matthew 25 passage does not contradict the love of God.

Hint. Are you sure about that?

Yes.

You sure get mad easily. You need to learn to chill a little.

[talaniman]

What's senseless is seeing God thru the human eyes of ancient man!

[tomder55]

The problem with the radical progressive left is that they are so quick to cancel culture and history that they fail to appreciate that a lot of wisdom came from the ancients .

[jlisenbe]

Agreed. I don't think we should ignore the story of God raising a person from the dead.

[Athos]

It's not that you don't need to; it's that you can't,

Of course I can, and I've done it. Not my fault you can't comprehend.

The Bible does not present God's love and acceptance as unconditional, or at least not in the sense you want it to be. Anyone who wants to say it does should be able to present support for that.

Cite the conditions for God's love.

But at least your question has now been shown to be senseless.

Why? Because you say so? LOL. You will do and say ANYTHING to avoid answering the question.

The Matthew 25 passage does not contradict the love of God.

You didn't take my hint.

You sure get mad easily. You need to learn to chill a little.

You need to stop evading the question. You're mistaking mad for comic relief. Your evasions are getting funnier and funnier. They really are!

[jlisenbe]

You Of course I can, and I've done it. Not my fault you can't comprehend.

You have not. Period. End of story. You were asked to, and your reply was to curse and say, "I sure as hell don't need you to tell me how to make "my case"." So your question is simply foolish. The statements of Jesus don't need to fit into your erroneous, unbiblical understanding of God's love. And please don't try to say, "Oh, I posted that months ago." You have not. If you can defend your position, then have at it. We are all waiting. I posted more than a dozen scriptures to support mine. You have posted...zilch.

[Athos]

You have not. Period. End of story.

Sorry, but my question remains unanswered by you. Period. End of story.

You were asked to, and your reply was to curse

Curse? Hell is a curse? Did you really say that? Welcome to 2021 AD.

and say, "I sure as hell don't need you to tell me how to make "my case"." So your question is simply foolish.

You're making me laugh again. I tell you I don't need you to tell me how to make my case, therefore my question is "simply foolish"?? That's dopier than your usual dopiness.

The statements of Jesus don't need to fit into your erroneous, unbiblical understanding of God's love.

Sure they can, if I decide to do so. I asked you to cite God's conditions for love - you couldn't do it. "Unbiblical" just shows how dependant you are on a book. Will you ever learn to think for yourself? What would you do without Bible Bingo? (I love that phrase).

[jlisenbe]

Of course your question is answered. Your incorrect understanding of unconditional love, completely unsupported by the Bible, needs to be adjusted to fit the clear statement of Jesus. It's really very simple, and it is now obvious to everyone here that your ideas are just that...your ideas.

"Unbiblical" just shows how dependant you are on a book. Will you ever learn to think for yourself? What would you do without Bible Bingo? (I love that phrase).

Always the plea of those who do not know the Bible. "Oh! What! You dare to quote the Bible to challenge my preconceived notions! Don't you know that the unsupported views of Athos just have to be correct?"

Uhm...no.

[Athos]

Of course your question is answered.

Then repeat the answer right here. I'll wait.

[jlisenbe]

You won't have to wait long. "Your incorrect understanding of unconditional love, completely unsupported by the Bible, needs to be adjusted to fit the clear statement of Jesus. It's really very simple, and it is now obvious to everyone here that your ideas are just that...your ideas."

But I'll make your life simple for you. You are asking how I think Mt. 25 fits into your idea of God's unconditional love, and it has just been answered. But you haven't been able at all to describe your version of unconditional love from the Bible. OK, let's go even more basic. Simply tell what unconditional love means to you. It's a term in your question, so it would be logical for you to simply describe it. Now this is REAALLLLYYY easy, so don't dodge it.

I'll wait...probably forever.

[Wondergirl]

The Bible does not present God's love and acceptance as unconditional

We have to be a certain way before God is willing to love us?

[jlisenbe]

Not according to the Bible. So WG, what do you think unconditional love and acceptance mean? Can you make any reference to the Bible to support your view? Athos can't, but perhaps you can.