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    #221

    Mar 29, 2021, 08:04 PM
    Talk about deranged...We learned this past weekend, never ask Trump to give a toast at your wedding reception....
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    Mar 29, 2021, 09:12 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    Isn't that what VP are for and this one needs training
    They all do Clete. Even the old white guys before this one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Talk about deranged...We learned this past weekend, never ask Trump to give a toast at your wedding reception....
    When you get married at Disneyland expect Mickey to show up.
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    #223

    Apr 3, 2021, 04:31 AM
    Quid and cabinet .. all vaccinated ...still social distancing and wearing masks . Is there a Tony award for theatrics away from the Broadway stage ?

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    #224

    Apr 3, 2021, 05:20 AM
    Quid and cabinet .. all vaccinated ...still social distancing and wearing masks . Is there a Tony award for theatrics away from the Broadway stage.
    It's all so absurd and so separated from reality. I received my second shot two days ago, but I'm still required to wear a mask.
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    #225

    Apr 3, 2021, 08:39 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    It's all so absurd and so separated from reality. I received my second shot two days ago, but I'm still required to wear a mask.
    You wear a mask because you can be a spreader to anyone not vaccinated. You're safe now, but I and the others who haven't gotten one or both shots are vulnerable.
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    #226

    Apr 3, 2021, 08:47 AM
    You wear a mask because you can be a spreader to anyone not vaccinated. You're safe now, but I and the others who haven't gotten one or both shots are vulnerable.
    It's official: Vaccinated people don't spread COVID-19 | Fortune
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    #227

    Apr 3, 2021, 09:10 AM
    Um, sorta maybe. The article was published on April 1 -- April Fool's Day.... From that article:

    "Vaccinated people can still be infected with the SARS-CoV-2 virus and suffer the symptoms of COVID-19, though this happens at a much reduced rate and severity, and vaccination eliminates the risk of death.

    But the most important part of the recent CDC findings is that vaccinated people are very unlikely to suffer
    asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infections."
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    #228

    Apr 3, 2021, 09:18 AM
    typical CDC nonsense . Make a statement one day ;walk it back the next . And no political agenda behind that ...... right Dr Fauci ? Oh yeah... trust the science !!
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    #229

    Apr 3, 2021, 09:44 AM
    You wear a mask because you can be a spreader to anyone not vaccinated. You're safe now, but I and the others who haven't gotten one or both shots are vulnerable.
    You can't be a spreader if you don't have it. If a vaccinated person can have it, then the vaccine is not very effective. But even at that, the masks are only marginally effective, especially considering that they are frequently not worn properly.
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    #230

    Apr 3, 2021, 10:14 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    You can't be a spreader if you don't have it.
    If you are with someone who has covid, with symptoms or not yet, the virus can spread from that infected person’s mouth or nose in small liquid particles when they cough, sneeze, speak, sing or breathe heavily, and go onto your hair, lips, into your eyes. Then you visit your Aunt Louise, as yet unvaccinated, at her home. As you kiss her hello and chat with her, those particles can float onto her.
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    Apr 3, 2021, 10:23 AM
    If you are with someone who has covid, with symptoms or not yet, the virus can spread from that infected person’s mouth or nose in small liquid particles when they cough, sneeze, speak, sing or breathe heavily, and go onto your hair, lips, into your eyes. Then you visit your Aunt Louise, as yet unvaccinated, at her home. As you kiss her hello and chat with her, those particles can float onto her.
    Again, you can't be a spreader if you don't have it, and if you've taken the vaccine, and if it's effective, then you don't have it.
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    #232

    Apr 3, 2021, 10:42 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Again, you can't be a spreader if you don't have it, and if you've taken the vaccine, and if it's effective, then you don't have it.
    Yes, you can be a spreader. If you're with an unvaccinated person(s) for any length of time, especially if there's any touching, hugging, kissing, etc., please take a bath or shower when you get home and change your clothes before going out again.
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    #233

    Apr 3, 2021, 10:47 AM
    the virus is airborne

    COVID-19 rarely spreads through surfaces. So why are we still deep cleaning? (nature.com)
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    #234

    Apr 3, 2021, 11:28 AM
    Listen carefully. IF YOU HAVE BEEN VACCINATED...
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    #235

    Apr 3, 2021, 11:34 AM
    Excellent, tomder! "Studies and investigations of outbreaks all point to the majority of transmissions occurring as a result of infected people spewing out large droplets and small particles called aerosols when they cough, talk or breathe. These can be directly inhaled by people close by."

    When any person yawns, sneezes, coughs, speaks, snd even just breathes, saliva droplets spray into the air -- and into the noses and maybe open (talking, yawning) mouths of others. Thus, the mask wearing and social distancing should be done even by those who've been vaccinated -- because unmasked vaccinated people will then carry those droplets in their mouths and noses and spray/spread them to others.
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    #236

    Apr 3, 2021, 12:09 PM
    Thus, the mask wearing and social distancing even by those who've been vaccinated -- because unmasked vaccinated people will then carry those droplets in their mouths and noses and spray/spread them to others.
    The article said nothing about that, thus your "thus" is really a stretch. I doubt there is any evidence whatsoever for that kind of secondary transmission occurring. Certainly it would seem to be wildly unlikely.

    "Having close contact with someone who is infected is a much more common way to get infected, the agency said."

    https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/2020...-then-reverses
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    #237

    Apr 3, 2021, 12:33 PM
    simple suggestion . The person who has NOT been vaccinated should wear the mask .
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    #238

    Apr 3, 2021, 12:47 PM
    simple suggestion . The person who has NOT been vaccinated should wear the mask .
    Sensible idea.
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    #239

    Apr 3, 2021, 01:12 PM
    Those that didn't mask before aren't likely to mask now, let alone any other of the virus precautions.
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    #240

    Apr 3, 2021, 01:14 PM
    So why does my hematologist and his medical staff, who've gotten both shots, continue to wear masks and maintain social distancing from their patients? Why??? So they don't spread covid bacteria in droplets that unsymptomatic patients cough, sneeze, and breathe on them and that they then inhale and spread to unvaccinated patients.

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