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    Jan 11, 2021, 03:10 PM
    As I understand it, Germany was something of a quasi-socialist state. Many manufacturers such as Krupp, Messerschmitt, and Daimler were independently owned and operated. They competed for enormous weapons contracts which fairly quickly became the dominant area of the German economy. Much of this was funded by borrowed money, I might add.

    Clete, just be aware that Athos loves to try and throw his supposed weight around and see if he can bully people. Didn't work with me, so he blocked me, for which I am eternally grateful. Just push back against him. I feel pretty sure he won't back you down.
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    Jan 11, 2021, 05:29 PM
    world war two - How did Nazi Germany finance itself during WW2? - History Stack Exchange

    "Borrowed" is a strange way to describe what Hitler did.
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    #43

    Jan 11, 2021, 06:03 PM
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    Maybe you should read some history some time. The Nazi were socialists, a response to the poverty and disorder of Germany after WWII. They are a reflection of where the left will take you if you go down that path.
    Here's the truth, paraclete - based on historical facts.

    Above all, the Nazis were German white nationalists/supremacists. What they stood for was the ascendancy of the “Aryan” race and the German nation, by any means necessary. The claim that the Nazis actually were leftists or socialists in any generally accepted sense of those terms flies in the face of historical reality.

    In the months after Hitler took power, SA and Gestapo agents went from door to door looking for Hitler’s enemies. They arrested Socialists, Communists, trade union leaders, and others who had spoken out against the Nazi party; some were murdered. By the summer of 1933, the Nazi party was the only legal political party in Germany.

    Hitler himself defined what he meant by "socialist" in the following speech.

    Whoever is prepared to make the national cause his own to such an extent that he knows no higher ideal than the welfare of the nation; whoever has understood our great national anthem, “Deutschland ueber Alles,” to mean that nothing in the wide world surpasses in his eyes this Germany, people and land — that man is a Socialist.

    However, the assumption that because the word “socialist” appeared in the party’s name and socialist words and ideas popped up in the writings and speeches of top Nazis then the Nazis must have been actual socialists is naive and ahistorical. What the evidence shows, on the contrary, is that Nazi Party leaders paid mere lip service to socialist ideals on the way to achieving their one true goal: raw, totalitarian power.

    The Nazi problem comes down to this: As an ultra-nationalist, socially conservative, anti-egalitarian and fascist ideology, Nazism naturally falls on the extreme far-right end of the political spectrum


    Another speech by Hitler - 1922. Note how he refers to the party of the LEFT.

    There are only two possibilities in Germany;..... one day it will turn to [the Party of] those who have most consistently foretold the coming ruin and have sought to dissociate themselves from it. And that party is either the Left: and then God help us! for it will lead us to complete destruction—to Bolshevism, or else it is a party of the Right which at the last, when the people is in utter despair, when it has lost all its spirit and has no longer any faith in anything, is determined for its part ruthlessly to seize the reins of power—that is the beginning of resistance.


    We could go on picking things apart, but it becomes preposterously too easy; there’s no sport in hunting an animal that has no claws or teeth. If you decide to discuss using facts and rational thought I'll be glad to do that with you - I am open to learning from you as I am from anyone
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    Jan 11, 2021, 06:09 PM
    We could go on picking things apart, but it becomes preposterously too easy; there’s no sport in hunting an animal that has no claws or teeth.
    What humility.
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    Jan 11, 2021, 06:29 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    What humility.
    What intellectualism.
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    Jan 11, 2021, 06:38 PM
    no this is humility
    I am open to learning from you as I am from anyone
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    Jan 11, 2021, 06:50 PM
    Good luck with that.
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    #48

    Jan 12, 2021, 10:22 AM
    Darn it Athos! Stop with the facts! It get's in the way of the right wing revisionists history narrative! Hitler and the dufus are economic geniuses. They built great economies that saved their country from ruin. What's your problem with that?
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    Jan 12, 2021, 10:35 AM
    My bad. Yeah, you're right - I got carried away. HEIL!
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    Jan 12, 2021, 11:27 AM
    Now that's how you TOLD somebody Clete. Hope you took notes! 8O
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    Jan 12, 2021, 01:06 PM
    No Tal that's not how you do it
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    Jan 14, 2021, 08:38 AM
    Yes Clete that's how I do it. How do you do it...and why should I care?
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    #53

    Jan 15, 2021, 01:31 PM
    Too subtle for me Tal
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    Jan 15, 2021, 09:28 PM
    What you found a big stick or something?
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    #55

    Jan 16, 2021, 05:23 AM
    I thought you were into free speech, guns, riots, civil action, me I'm just a spectator
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    #56

    Jan 16, 2021, 01:48 PM
    Booooorrrrrriiiiiggggggggg!
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    Jan 16, 2021, 03:36 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Booooorrrrrriiiiiggggggggg!
    You know when you are right, you are right
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    #58

    Jan 17, 2021, 12:59 PM
    Boring ain't bad...just BORING!
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    #59

    Jan 17, 2021, 02:39 PM
    Talk about an "abyss of unreality", Biden is proposing we borrow 6000 dollars for every single American in order to send 1400 dollars to some Americans. Wonderful.


    "During an interview with "Fox News Sunday," Brian Deese insisted that items including $1,400 payments to all Americans."




    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bid...us-relief-plan
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    Jan 17, 2021, 02:48 PM
    debt is great, ain't it, the future can pay for it, eh, those high earning grand children won't even feel it, but you can't let the economy starve and that over bloated military won't starve, ever

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