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Wondergirl · Dec 29, 2020, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Yeah, but I'm the only one willing to say it. Wonder why?

It's so obvious an answer....

That's why no one participates here. These threads fall apart into pointlessness.

jlisenbe · Dec 29, 2020, 12:01 PM

To say that Jesus is the only way to God is pointless? Perhaps to you, but not to me.

Wondergirl · Dec 29, 2020, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

To say that Jesus is the only way to God is pointless? Perhaps to you, but not to me.

You knew the answer. Why start grief with the question?

jlisenbe · Dec 29, 2020, 01:31 PM

I didn't ask the question of me. I asked it of you. But's it's alright. You don't have to answer if you don't want to. It's not the end of the world. We can just move on.

Wondergirl · Dec 29, 2020, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

I didn't ask the question of me. I asked it of you. But's it's alright. You don't have to answer if you don't want to. It's not the end of the world. We can just move on.

If Muslims believed in Jesus as Savior, they wouldn't be Muslims but would be Christians. And as I said earlier, "They certainly are more dedicated to a prayer life and prayer ritual than Christians are!" And why wouldn't I, a Christian, know the answer to your question?

paraclete · Dec 29, 2020, 02:43 PM

they are dedicated to ritual, endless intoning the same words is a self righteous thing, but a deception that many follow

talaniman · Dec 29, 2020, 03:16 PM

Jesus was a Jew, and to the Muslims, a prophet as was the founder of Islam Muhammad. Humans love their labels to separate, while all are the same.

Wondergirl · Dec 29, 2020, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by paraclete

they are dedicated to ritual, endless intoning the same words is a self righteous thing, but a deception that many follow

Like saying the rosary?

jlisenbe · Dec 29, 2020, 03:39 PM

wouldn't I, a Christian, know the answer to your question?

That's not what troubles me. What troubles is why, as a confessing Christian, you would simply avoid the question rather than answer it.

I think Clete had a good reply, and I would agree with you that saying the rosary is largely meaningless repetition.

Wondergirl · Dec 29, 2020, 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

That's not what troubles me. What troubles is why, as a confessing Christian, you would simply avoid the question rather than answer it.

Why did you even bother to ask it?

I think Clete had a good reply, and I would agree with you that saying the rosary is largely meaningless repetition.

Yet is there benefit in that "meaningless repetition"? Why do Catholics say the rosary?

jlisenbe · Dec 29, 2020, 04:33 PM

Why did you even bother to ask it?

Don't worry about it if it bothers you so much. I love answering any kind of question of that sort, but some people don't. It's fine with me.

As to the rosary, I'm not Catholic and not real familiar with it, so I'll leave that to them.

paraclete · Dec 30, 2020, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Why did you even bother to ask it?

Yet is there benefit in that "meaningless repetition"? Why do Catholics say the rosary?

It is called religion

Wondergirl · Dec 30, 2020, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by paraclete

It is called religion

No, there's more to it than that. I'll do some research.

From one site:
"With regular rosary prayer, a person will experience significant improvement in their overall mental health. Typical mental health benefits of praying the rosary include: Increased focus and attention. Mental clarity; clears the mind of distractions and negative thoughts. Better thought control and less intrusive thoughts. Fights depression.

Also, improves memory (short term and long term), decreases anxiety and fear, encourages positive thinking and a better outlook on life, reduces stress, increases ability to relax and unwind, is a powerful sleep aid (promotes a restful night's sleep), and increases an overall sense of well-being."
http://www.erosary.com/rosary/benefi...s%20depression.

paraclete · Dec 30, 2020, 08:08 PM

Believe what you want all it is doing is inducing a meditative state

Wondergirl · Dec 30, 2020, 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by paraclete

Believe what you want all it is doing is inducing a meditative state

I'm not Catholic but I can easily go along with the conclusions on that website. Saying the rosary stills your mind and pulls it into a meditative state so you can concentrate on blessings from God.

tomder55 · Dec 31, 2020, 06:12 AM

if you say the rosary as an exercise in meaningless repetition then that is all you get from it .There are 4 major prayers . The Apostle's Creed which states our faith in a prayer ;the Lord's prayer which Jesus taught us.; the Hail Mary which praises Mary from two Luke quotes (1:28 and 1:42) .Then we ask Mary to intercede for us and for all sinners . It concludes with Glory Be which is doxology in praise for the Trinity (a fundamental Catholic belief) .To the folks who regularly recite the rosary they are getting much more out of it than just a meditative state ,and it is presumptive to assume that .

jlisenbe · Dec 31, 2020, 06:29 AM

Honest question. Where in the NT do Catholics get the idea that we should pray to or praise Mary?

tomder55 · Dec 31, 2020, 08:34 AM

Honest question. Where in the NT do Catholics get the idea that we should pray to or praise Mary?

I'm the last person to explain church doctrine .My simplistic take is that I pray for people all the time for their health and well being (James 5:16) ;and all I'm really asking for is for God to hear my prayer . When we ask Mary and the Saints to intercede we are not asking them to do any more than what we are doing ourselves when we ask Jesus directly .We are not praying to her . We are asking her to intervene .
As for praising her, all we are doing is what the angels did . "Hail, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you; blessed are you among women."(Luke 1:28)

The NT says Jesus is the king in fulfilment of OT prophesy .(Luke 1:32) .Mary is the king's mother (Luke 1:43).We believe in the intercession of saints . Mary being the most important saint because she is pure and "favored" means that Mary's intercession is the most powerful and important .

It was Mary after all who had Jesus' ear at the wedding at Cana .Even after he told her it was not his time yet ,he performed a miracle .In doing this he asserts his authority and at the same time submits to her request. She in return told the servants to do whatever Jesus told them to do. If a request is granted it is his will be done .

jlisenbe · Dec 31, 2020, 09:46 AM

Thank you for the explanation.

paraclete · Dec 31, 2020, 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Honest question. Where in the NT do Catholics get the idea that we should pray to or praise Mary?

nowhere Jesus taught prayer to the father and down played any veneration of Mary intercession is asking God not the saints
one of the reasons i left catholicism is it all seemed meaningless. Christianity is about relationship that cannot be achieved with repartition