[talaniman]

There is no proof in any state that the rules were broken by the governor or legislature. Court rulings are court rulings whether we like them or not. The point is we have a process to follow and resolve such disputes. Public statements are not pronouncements of law and I find it fascinating that the repub cry of voter fraud and the inherent shenanigans to prevent it using suppression, purges and ID laws and requirements have failed in the courts repeatedly.

If you want to question the federal results, then question the local ones too even where repubs enjoyed success. That's not happening so one can only conclude the hope is to try claims of voter fraud in the court of public opinion using wild claims and innuendo targeting specific constituencies when no evidence has been presented in the court of law.

A simple case of lying to the people and crying foul, which has little to do with the outcome we have certified and vested even in repub strongholds. It appears to be a great money raising tactic for repubs and their sheeple however futile that is for any changes.

The dufus just got beat by turnout, the best I've ever seen, but repubs have known turnout would be their downfall for decades now, and the cries of voter fraud has been debunked rather decisively. Not that it stops the hollering though, nor the shenanigans.

Even turtleface is telling his minions to cool it and accept the outcome. The first step to a more perfect union. When you getting on board with that Tomder?

[tomder55]

If you want to question the federal results, then question the local ones too even where repubs enjoyed success.

Nonsense . Why would I question the results of states like California or NY that are clearly going to go the the Dem ;or red states where you know they are voting Republican . It is only swing states that are in question .

and the cries of voter fraud has been debunked rather decisively.

Why because courts refuse to hear cases or make a claim that they can't enforce a remedy ? Nothing has been debunked . We probably will not know decisively until a forensic investigation is done ....... some time well after Quid is installed . Who knows ... we may never know .... just like we will never really know how Kennedy stole the 1960 election. Multiple judges and one independent prosecutor responded to Republican complaints that the vote tally was fair. But historian Robert Dallek, who wrote biographies of JFK and LBJ,, concluded that Daley’s Chi-town machine “probably stole Illinois from Nixon" .

[jlisenbe]

There is no proof in any state that the rules were broken by the governor or legislature. Court rulings are court rulings whether we like them or not.

That's true unless, of course, you count these.


https://dailycaller.com/2020/09/30/m...ump-joe-biden/

[talaniman]

A judge ruling requires a petition to the court so lets just assume the better legal argument won. Never heard a judge ruling without being asked to. Have you?

[tomder55]

hmmmm in all cases except perhaps NC ;judges and Governors over ruled the state legislatures .

[jlisenbe]

And the point is that the law was not followed.

[talaniman]

That's a broad and inaccurate premise since as I have said to prevail in a court, one side needs a better compelling argument. To suggest the governor and the courts colluded to subvert state law or authority doesn't seem at all logical. You would need a state by state examination to even arrive at that conclusion.

If you have such a case I would love to examine it.

[jlisenbe]

I just gave you seven.

[talaniman]

So extending mail in voting because of the post office problems or covid is a bad idea?

[jlisenbe]

If it violates state law? Yes.

[talaniman]

Well guy a judge ruled the changes or adjustment didn't violate the state law, even if a guy in another state disagrees. The state legislatures went along with the judges ruling even if it was grudgingly. Did they appeal those rulings? What happened?

Personally I question such an effort to disenfranchise voters. Political shenanigans. Penalizing a voter because the mail is slow or fear of covids, or even having to work on election day?

[paraclete]

A demonrat questioning an effort to disenfranchise voters, I guess that is no the same as helping them with millions of mail in votes

[jlisenbe]

The big problem is that our voting system has become questionable in the eyes of millions of Americans, and with good cause. It is the very predictable outcome of the insane idea of mass mailouts of ballots.

[Wondergirl]

The big problem is that our voting system has become questionable in the eyes of millions of Americans

Hmm, wonder why THAT is???

[paraclete]

It is because marketing has taken over from reality. PAC collect and pour in millions that are actually an infringement of funding laws but both parties benefit so noone does anything about it. These funds can be directed anyway at all and so millions of mail in votes appear as if by majic

[talaniman]

A demonrat questioning an effort to disenfranchise voters, I guess that is no the same as helping them with millions of mail in votes

Keep drinking the fake news conspiracy against repubs perpetrated by repubs Clete. Tom and JL have an ample supply and willing to share.

The big problem is that our voting system has become questionable in the eyes of millions of Americans, and with good cause. It is the very predictable outcome of the insane idea of mass mailouts of ballots.

Naw, it's a recurring right wing theme to justify continuing Jim Crow era voter suppression.

[jlisenbe]

Naw, it's a recurring right wing theme to justify continuing Jim Crow era voter suppression.

So we have to mailout ballots to who knows who with no way to verify the ballots are being filled out by the persons receiving them in order to make it appear that Jim Crow is over with? That's an insane idea. Jim Crow died and was buried decades ago. It's the pretense that some people are unable to get off their butts and go vote like they go and buy groceries, shoes, liquor, books, prescriptions, and many other items that is insanity.

[Wondergirl]

So we have to mailout ballots to who knows who with no way to verify the ballots are being filled out by the persons receiving them in order to make it appear that Jim Crow is over with? That's an insane idea. Jim Crow died and was buried decades ago. It's the pretense that some people are unable to get off their butts and go vote like they go and buy groceries, shoes, liquor, books, prescriptions, and many other items that is insanity.

And if they have to drive across the county to the only polling place (because the closer ones were closed) and wait in line for eight hours or more, that's okay? And what if they don't own a car or truck or even a motorcycle?

[talaniman]

So we have to mailout ballots to who knows who with no way to verify the ballots are being filled out by the persons receiving them in order to make it appear that Jim Crow is over with? That's an insane idea. Jim Crow died and was buried decades ago. It's the pretense that some people are unable to get off their butts and go vote like they go and buy groceries, shoes, liquor, books, prescriptions, and many other items that is insanity.

None of those things takes hours, and white people have been voting mail in for decades, especially repubs, now minorities are lazy because they want to do it with the same ease? Now it's a fraud, and insane?

Even repub elected officials found no evidence of voter fraud and NEVER have so your whole statement is stupid and insane and a complete lie and sham. 60 court cases and a SCOTUS ruling and still you squawk.

Squawk on dufusite. you got life and BS all mixed up.

[jlisenbe]

None of those things takes hours, and white people have been voting mail in for decades, especially repubs, now minorities are lazy because they want to do it with the same ease? Now it's a fraud, and insane?

No one mentioned race but you. If voting takes hours, then that should be remedied, but I doubt that is widespread, and I doubt even more that it is race based in any way.

Requested mail in ballots are a completely different animal from unrequested mail in ballots. One is secure while the other is not. I guess insecure voting is, to you, a fine thing.

Even repub elected officials found no evidence of voter fraud and NEVER have so your whole statement is stupid and insane and a complete lie and sham. 60 court cases and a SCOTUS ruling and still you squawk.

Squawk on dufusite. you got life and BS all mixed up.

Thank you for that well-reasoned response.