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    paraclete Posts: 2,706, Reputation: 173
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    #81

    Nov 29, 2020, 05:28 AM
    Yes please remember that when the federal government took away the lands of the indigenous population that means they have no control over it
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    Nov 29, 2020, 06:28 AM
    You mean like you guys do?

    " In Western Australia, where mining companies make billion dollar profits exploiting Aboriginal land, the state government says it can no longer afford to “support” the homelands.Vulnerable populations, already denied the basic services most Australians take for granted, are on notice of dispossession without consultation, and eviction at gunpoint. Aboriginal leaders have warned of “a new generation of displaced people” and “cultural genocide”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...igenous-people
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    Nov 29, 2020, 07:37 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    it is not Federal lands . The government just treats it as such . The fact is that 573 sovereign Native American nations have formal nation to nation relationships with the US government .Sovereignty means self governance . The tribes ceded millions of acres of land for the guarantee of self governance on the lands they reside .And it is independent rule that is at the heart of almost every issue concerning native Americans . Yes Quid and JFKerry will most likely adopted the emperor's ban on energy exploration on Federal lands . But it has been established many times the the legal status of the tribal lands is autonomous rule .
    As you have shown though native sovereignty or autonomy is not always respected. The white man never met a treaty that cannot be broken, changed, or modified for profit. Watching the covid virus run through N. Dakota.
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    Nov 29, 2020, 07:45 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    You mean like you guys do?

    " In Western Australia, where mining companies make billion dollar profits exploiting Aboriginal land, the state government says it can no longer afford to “support” the homelands.Vulnerable populations, already denied the basic services most Australians take for granted, are on notice of dispossession without consultation, and eviction at gunpoint. Aboriginal leaders have warned of “a new generation of displaced people” and “cultural genocide”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...igenous-people
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    #85

    Nov 29, 2020, 10:39 AM
    What they need to do is put Hunter Biden and Chris Heinz on the tribal council . Problem solved .
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    #86

    Nov 29, 2020, 02:05 PM
    We had a decision here some years ago called MABO which set the parameters by which native title can be extinguished. WA doesn't seem to follow the principles
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    #87

    Nov 30, 2020, 07:37 AM
    I thought your country had laws that prevented public corruption? You have to admit you guys are looking as feckless and incompetent as you have said we are.

    I have no doubt you will address these issues that have popped up in your country in the appropriate timely manner as you have other challenges despite being caught off guard.

    You have before.
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    Nov 30, 2020, 08:04 AM
    you guys are looking as feckless and incompetent as you have said we are.
    Yep. Just about right.
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    Nov 30, 2020, 02:17 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    I thought your country had laws that prevented public corruption? You have to admit you guys are looking as feckless and incompetent as you have said we are.

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    No law prevents public corruption, but it is prosecuted with rigour when uncovered but we are not incompetent in that prosecution. Appearances are deceiving because all you have is what is reported in the media
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    Nov 30, 2020, 03:26 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    I have no doubt you will address these issues that have popped up in your country in the appropriate timely manner as you have other challenges despite being caught off guard.

    You have before.
    Love you Clete, but I hate it when people nit pick my words and dismiss the rest. So unfair!
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    #91

    Nov 30, 2020, 07:59 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Love you Clete, but I hate it when people nit pick my words and dismiss the rest. So unfair!
    Don't know what you are saying Tal, appearances are deceiving as I'm sure you have observed locally. Hope you are avoiding CV19 in Texas, media suggests it is bad there. We tend to be teflon coated so it all slides off

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