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    #21

    Nov 24, 2020, 03:29 PM
    some are more equal than others, it depends on how many lawyers you can afford
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    #22

    Nov 24, 2020, 03:33 PM
    But we're all not equal
    If you can identify a specific area where we are not afforded equal protection under law, then I will join with you in calling for change.
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    #23

    Nov 24, 2020, 03:44 PM
    Favoritism, Cronyism, and Nepotism are a fact of life in politics, never more so than the outgoing administration.
    Now I wonder how many of Biden's cronies will be indicted for crimes and misdemeanors while pretending to run the count
    The question is how many will deserve to be indicted .If in fact he picks Sally Yates for Justice Dept then the crooked media will proclaim the whole lot of them saints running the cleanest administration ever . Watching in amusement as the complicit press is orgasmic about how experienced' Quid's cabinet choices are. They have all been in the swamp for decades ;with years of failure, never getting any results or success. All the problems Biden ran on, never got fixed by this bunch.
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    Nov 24, 2020, 04:12 PM
    The question was often asked of both HC and JB, "What have they accomplished?" The answer is generally the chirping of crickets.
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    #25

    Nov 24, 2020, 04:18 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    If you can identify a specific area where we are not afforded equal protection under law, then I will join with you in calling for change.
    I said we're not all equal. And are not considered equal. Big difference from what you said.
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    Nov 24, 2020, 04:26 PM
    I said we're not all equal. And are not considered equal. Big difference from what you said.
    As I understand it, we are equal in two ways. The D of I says we are all created equal before God. Legally, we are to be afforded equal protection under law. As to the rest of it, I doubt there are any two people on the earth that are completely equal. Lebron James, for instance, is a fantastically more gifted athlete than I am.
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    Nov 24, 2020, 04:43 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    As I understand it, we are equal in two ways. The D of I says we are all created equal before God. Legally, we are to be afforded equal protection under law. As to the rest of it, I doubt there are any two people on the earth that are completely equal. Lebron James, for instance, is a fantastically more gifted athlete than I am.
    Thus, immigrants' children who are born in this country are also equal under the law. Are their naturalized parents also equal under the law??
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    Nov 24, 2020, 04:56 PM
    They are. The key word, of course, is "naturalized", meaning they have become U.S. citizens.
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    #29

    Nov 24, 2020, 05:45 PM
    Quid introduced his national security team today for 45 minutes . Then he walked off the stage without taking any questions from reporters . My God ! He won't even take questions from pom pom waiving cheerleaders . Guessing he will claim he's running a transparent administration .
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    #30

    Nov 24, 2020, 05:47 PM
    Might have forgotten what he was doing??
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    #31

    Nov 24, 2020, 06:08 PM
    No he just doesn't want to be put on the spot
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    Nov 24, 2020, 06:29 PM
    No he just doesn't want to be put on the spot
    I think you nailed it.
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    Nov 24, 2020, 06:30 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    As I understand it, we are equal in two ways. The D of I says we are all created equal before God. Legally, we are to be afforded equal protection under law.
    Why then was there gerrymandering before the November election, polling places were shut down, poll watchers were recruited, mailed-in votes were tossed out, et al?
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    #34

    Nov 24, 2020, 06:41 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    No he just doesn't want to be put on the spot
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    I think you nailed it.
    Put on the spot about what?
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    #35

    Nov 24, 2020, 07:20 PM
    the details, his choices, the appointments he hasn't made yet

    https://www.news.com.au/world/north-...b3e49e09ce3743
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    Nov 24, 2020, 07:30 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    the details, his choices, the appointments he hasn't made yet
    The details were in the intros, his choices were present, and he isn't president yet, so no hurry on making appointments.
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    Nov 24, 2020, 08:14 PM
    Why then was there gerrymandering before the November election, polling places were shut down, poll watchers were recruited, mailed-in votes were tossed out, et al?
    Not sure what that has to do with those immigrant families you mentioned. I would think it would effect a lot of people if it's true. Now if you can find documentation of those things, then I will join you in denouncing them if you will join me in denouncing the insane practice of mass mailouts of ballots which are then mailed back in with very little ability to verify if they are legal votes or not.

    Deal?
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    #38

    Nov 24, 2020, 09:01 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Not sure what that has to do with those immigrant families you mentioned. I would think it would effect a lot of people if it's true.
    Yes, it affected a lot of voters. It had very little to do with immigrant families unless they are brown. Plus, black voters were very much affected.
    Now if you can find documentation of those things, then I will join you in denouncing them if you will join me in denouncing the insane practice of mass mailouts of ballots which are then mailed back in with very little ability to verify if they are legal votes or not.
    Documentation was on a variety of TV stations and can be found by googling for videos of long lines of voters who stood in line for many hours. And as I've said before, there wasn't mass mail-outs of ballots (to everyone between 2 and 89?). Signatures on those ballots were verified with signatures on file. Many states sent out applications first to registered voters.
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    #39

    Nov 25, 2020, 03:18 AM
    The details were in the intros, his choices were present, and he isn't president yet, so no hurry on making appointments.
    These were safe appointments meant to not rock the boat until after the Jan 5 runoffs .The Dems have this trojan horse strategery down pat .

    Yes, it affected a lot of voters. It had very little to do with immigrant families unless they are brown. Plus, black voters were very much affected.
    There was NO gerrymandering before the election Redistricting takes place after the census once every 10 years .Next year comes gerrymandering ;and many states have mandated different methods ;and of course now the courts intervene in redistricting decisions more often

    And redistricting cuts both ways. I was once in a safe Republican district represented by one of the statesmen of our time. 20 years ago his district was gerrymandered out of existence and I was added to Elliot Engel's district even though I live on the other side of the Hudson river from where the majority of the district resides . But at least Engel had a solid foreign policy record .
    10 years ago I was gerrymandered again and put in lib Nita Lowey's district . Again across the river from the majority of the district .

    Engel was primaried out this cycle and now his district will be represented by a radical socialist . Lowey retired this cycle and now starting next year I will be represented by a radical lefty who's accomplishments are that he will be the first Black /Gay member of Congress . wooohoo ... ! I haven't had a representative in 20 years . So maybe I should feel disenfranchised . (and forget NY STATE governance . The Dems have a strangle hold on it . )
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    #40

    Nov 25, 2020, 04:30 AM
    Tom you are not suggesting NY is corrupt, are you. Federal elections should be decided on electoral boundries set by a federal agency, not a corrupt state one

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