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    Nov 1, 2020, 03:08 PM
    Frightening Election Day Prognosis by Trump Camp
    This is a must read. It's short and reveals the election day plans by Trump and his cronies. Is this the America you want? Note how Trump's inner circle skates around the charges.

    https://www.axios.com/trump-claim-el...fb47f613f.html
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    Nov 1, 2020, 03:13 PM
    Trump Wins; He crows about it for months on end
    Trump Loses; He declares it a corrupt election and forces matters to drag through the courts...
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    Nov 1, 2020, 03:22 PM
    What happens on Tuesday night if Biden is declared the winner? Will all those ballots sitting in post offices or drop boxes have to be gathered up and counted (over the next two weeks) with the hope Trump will come out on top after all?
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    Nov 1, 2020, 03:31 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Curlyben View Post
    Trump Wins; He crows about it for months on end
    Trump Loses; He declares it a corrupt election and forces matters to drag through the courts...
    If only it were that simple. Suggest you read the article in the link.

    PS - Do you respond to internal messages? I have one to you from several days ago re DixieChick66 lack of profile- no response.
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    Nov 1, 2020, 03:41 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Athos View Post

    PS - Do you respond to internal messages? I have one to you from several days ago re DixieChick66 lack of profile- no response.
    Sometimes, but check again ;)
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    Nov 1, 2020, 04:01 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Curlyben View Post
    Sometimes, but check again ;)
    I checked, still nothing. I'll post it here to make it easier for you.

    Trying to access the profile of DixieChick66, I get a message saying I can't do it. I'm curious why that member's profile is not accessible.

    Thanks, Athos.

    (sent October 21)
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    Nov 1, 2020, 04:09 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Athos View Post
    I checked, still nothing. I'll post it here to make it easier for you.

    Trying to access the profile of DixieChick66, I get a message saying I can't do it. I'm curious why that member's profile is not accessible.

    Thanks, Athos.

    (sent October 21)
    I checked the profile of new member, Letilou, yesterday. Nada. If I remember correctly, the new member has to post X number of times before a profile appears -- and, of course, that new member can then add personal information to that profile.
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    Nov 1, 2020, 04:58 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    I checked the profile of new member, Letilou, yesterday. Nada. If I remember correctly, the new member has to post X number of times before a profile appears -- and, of course, that new member can then add personal information to that profile.
    The profile is now accessible. There are NO more posts than there were when I first inquired. Hmmmmm.

    Maybe fresh air opened it.
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    Nov 1, 2020, 05:02 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Athos View Post
    The profile is now accessible. There are NO more posts than there were when I first inquired. Hmmmmm.

    Maybe fresh air opened it.
    Maybe then a number of days have to pass before the profile is available/visible.
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    Nov 1, 2020, 05:25 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Maybe then a number of days have to pass before the profile is available/visible.
    I don't think so.

    I contacted another member here over a month ago and that member tried to contact a moderator on this issue - no success.

    Here is the message I got when attempting to access Dixie profile :


    Athos, you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons:


    1. If you are trying to post, you probably have not activated your account by clicking the link in the email we sent to you. Remember, the email may be in your bulk email folder.
    2. Your user account may not have sufficient privileges to access this page. Are you trying to edit someone else's post or access administrative features or some other privileged system?

    Note there is no mention of X number of days before allowing access to a profile.
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    Nov 2, 2020, 12:39 AM
    All new members are placed on moderation until they have posted a number of times.
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    Nov 2, 2020, 11:26 AM
    Frightening Election Day Prognosis by Trump Camp
    This is a must read. It's short and reveals the election day plans by Trump and his cronies. Is this the America you want? Note how Trump's inner circle skates around the charges.

    https://www.axios.com/trump-claim-el...fb47f613f.html
    If he has a commanding lead in key battleground states like Ohio, Florida, North Carolina, Texas, Iowa, Arizona, Georgia then he would be right no matter how long it took to count the ballots .
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    Nov 2, 2020, 11:30 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    If he has a commanding lead in key battleground states like Ohio, Florida, North Carolina, Texas, Iowa, Arizona, Georgia then he would be right no matter how long it took to count the ballots .
    Gotta love the collegiate voting system, the only one where a persons vote really doesn't matter.
    Lose the popular vote, yet still get elected....

    TBH, all voting systems have their downsides, but none as big as the electoral college system
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    Nov 2, 2020, 12:25 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    If he has a commanding lead in key battleground states like Ohio, Florida, North Carolina, Texas, Iowa, Arizona, Georgia then he would be right no matter how long it took to count the ballots
    That's not what the article said.
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    Nov 2, 2020, 12:35 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Curlyben View Post
    All new members are placed on moderation until they have posted a number of times.
    Thank you for that info.

    I think it should be included in the auto-message I quoted above and which I received when inquiring. In any case, it seems rather vague - how many times?
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    Nov 2, 2020, 12:58 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Athos View Post
    Thank you for that info.

    I think it should be included in the auto-message I quoted above and which I received when inquiring. In any case, it seems rather vague - how many times?
    As it's part of the measures we have in place to curtail spammer/scammer activity I can't give you an exact number.
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    Nov 2, 2020, 02:37 PM
    Gotta love the collegiate voting system, the only one where a persons vote really doesn't matter.
    Lose the popular vote, yet still get elected....

    TBH, all voting systems have their downsides, but none as big as the electoral college system
    as opposed to candidates only being concerned with the issues important to the costal elite cities . The new presidential campaign trail would heavily feature New York, California, ,the DC area ,Texas, and Florida, which combined account for 58.5 million registered voters The other states would be "fly over " neglected states , and the federal benefits they enjoy would likely disappear as well. WE were not designed to be a popular democracy .Even when it was 13 states the interests of regions had to be considered to create a union. A popular voting system would destroy that basic framework.
    We will see how popular voting democracy works in a republic . I don't know what turnout will be this cycle . But most often it hovers around 50-60 % and even less in non-presidential years . But the popular vote will not change that . Turnout should be higher in swing states like Florida . But even with campaigns concentrating their efforts there ,Florida only had about 65% turnout in 2016. So even when a candidate gets a majority vote it does not represent the majority will of the people .

    And how does one rationalize a winner take all system when the popular vote comes down to a percentage or 2 or slightly more even in blow out elections ? Maybe we should go back to the days of the 1800 election when the 2nd place candidate took the VP ?

    Without the EC the 2 party system would collapse .It would be replaced with the people voting on a ballot of extreme fringe candidates all vying for pluralities instead of majorities or near majorities . Imagine the leader of the country being selected by 25-30 % of the popular vote or less . That would happen in a popular vote system .So your theory of win the popular vote win the election falls flat .
    We elect a President ,not a Parliament that had to build ruling coalitions after a vote . The 2 party system at least moderates both parties . To get something done requires compromise

    It is not perfect . But we were never promised perfect . Our mission statement is to form a more perfect union. That cannot happen unless all the people's issues are considered .
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    Nov 3, 2020, 05:05 AM
    All the peoples issues cannot be considered unless they all participate. 97 million early votes is encouraging, if they all count.

    We may never be perfect but must strive to be and no doubt we could stand some tweaks and upgrades to the system.
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    Nov 3, 2020, 07:27 AM
    That is the beauty of the amendment process. We don't use it enough .And I'm not talking about the method normally used . That is slow and arduous.
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    Nov 3, 2020, 01:23 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    That is the beauty of the amendment process. We don't use it enough .And I'm not talking about the method normally used . That is slow and arduous.
    You forgot the bloody brutal struggle that continues to this day just for voting rights. Slow and arduous is an understatement given the shenanigans and opposition.

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