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    Oct 26, 2020, 02:36 PM
    Trump's Last Minute Attempts To Destroy America
    No, that title is not hyperbole. More on that below.

    Trump is as anti-American as possible for a US president. Every time he says "I love America" or "I love (this or that state)", know that he is lying. But you can believe him when he acts like he loves Putin or that thug in North Korea.

    Trump has packed the judiciary with over 200 federal judges, not a single one of which did Trump appoint based on the quality of their legal expertise. Rather they were nominated because their judicial temperament is far right-wing. More than one has been rejected by the all-too-accommodating Senate because of the lack of competence.

    Then there's Trump's Supreme Cort nominees for the same partisan reasons. Now he's pushing for Barrett to be confirmed because he expects the Court then to rule in his favor post-election on issues of the validity of the election and Obamacare and abortion. She will probably take her seat before I finish writing this.

    But the last minute business referred to in the subject title is his bizarre executive order stripping job protections for hundreds of thousands of civil employees. These workers take an oath to be non-partisan but Trump would prefer all government employees to take an oath to him and support whatever polices he tries to make. Dissent will not be allowed.

    Not quite the personal loyalty oath Hitler demanded, but getting close.

    Trump came to drain the swamp. Instead he has created a far bigger swamp which is more sewer than swamp.
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    Oct 26, 2020, 03:44 PM
    so your argument is that Trump has replaced the alligators with crocodiles?
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    Oct 26, 2020, 03:52 PM
    Trump's nominees have, on the whole, been impressive and highly qualified. While there are some notable exceptions, the qualifications of Trump's judicial nominees compare favorably with those of his predecessors. Through the first two years of his Presidency, a higher percentage of judges nominated by Trump received "Well Qualified" ratings from the ABA than his predecessor .The emperor nominated a large number of highly qualified jurists, but according to the ABA, a higher percentage of Trump's appointees were "Well Qualified."

    "Trump has a higher rate of "well-qualified" confirmed first time judges than any other president on the list aside from George W. Bush."
    https://empiricalscotus.com/2019/09/...-new-ballgame/

    Overall, a majority of Trump's judicial nominees have received "Well Qualified" ratings from the ABA—80 percent of Circuit Court nominees and 62 percent of District Court nominees....and the ABA evaluates Republican nominees more critically than Democratic nominees with equivalent experience.

    https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers....act_id=1368891

    https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers....ract_id=290186

    Some of Trumps nominees were rated unqualified by the ABA . But the difference is that under the emperor the potential nominees were pre-submitted to the ABA . No matter what you believe of Trump .he has nominated and got confirmed a large number of highly qualified individuals to the federal bench.

    She will probably take her seat before I finish writing this.
    some time today .. booooo hooooo
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    Oct 26, 2020, 04:00 PM
    stripping job protections for hundreds of thousands of civil employees.
    good !!! get rid of the swamp critters who assume their jobs are permanent ;and think their role is to oppose and undermine the policies of a Chief Executive they disagree with. The President is elected . These swamp critters are not .
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    Oct 26, 2020, 04:36 PM
    If setting record low figures for unemployment is an attempt to "destroy America", then let's hope we get some more of that destruction. Talk about getting a little on the shrill side. Good grief.
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    Oct 26, 2020, 05:58 PM
    yes the losing side always become shrill near the end, but remember this thread is about the swamp and in the swamp there are snakes, reptiles and other nasties. Trump gave the corporate sector confidence and this led to recovery and all that nonsense about trickle down economics evaporated, however, Trump could not see past his nose when it came to a real crisis because it was no longer about him and he has led the US into a malstrom. He has indeed made it the greatest in every respect
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    Oct 26, 2020, 05:59 PM
    ACB was confirmed today. JB said he would tell us about his court-packing decision once that happened. I'd say it's 50-50 that he announces before the election. Probably a certainty that he will pack the court. Any opinions?
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    Oct 26, 2020, 06:17 PM
    Some specifics of the U.S. government were written into the original Constitution after (often lengthy) deliberations by the Founding Fathers. The number of Supreme Court justices was not one of those things. The total has varied throughout the years this country has been in existence.
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    Oct 26, 2020, 06:30 PM
    It hasn't varied in the past 150 years, but JB should at least let the American people know his plans.
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    Oct 26, 2020, 06:43 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    It hasn't varied in the past 150 years, but JB should at least let the American people know his plans.
    As it hasn't varied in 150 years, the case load must have increased just as population has, so there would be good reason for increasing the number. Some people just don't like change, they are threatened by it
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    Oct 26, 2020, 06:49 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    It hasn't varied in the past 150 years, but JB should at least let the American people know his plans.
    To counter Trump's plan to pack the court with conservatives who will declare certain ballots illegal and thus grant him (a minimum of) four more years?

    The Supreme Court is, at least ideologically, supposed to be unbiased.
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    Oct 26, 2020, 06:53 PM
    To counter Trump's plan to pack the court with conservatives?
    Not the same thing, but DT and JB would both be within their authority to do so. The difference is that DT was very open that he was going to appoint conservative judges who would not invent law out of thin air. JB refuses to tell the American people what he will do. It is deception on a grand scale.

    The Supreme Court is, at least ideologically, supposed to be unbiased.
    Were you saying that when the Supreme Court was packed with liberals?
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    Oct 26, 2020, 06:58 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Were you saying that when the Supreme Court was packed with liberals?
    Yes, I did! And if Congress and the president add and subtract justices at will, it will tarnish the ideal that it stands for.
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    Oct 26, 2020, 06:59 PM
    and the president add and subtract justices at will
    So you would be opposed to JB expanding it to, let's say, 11 justices?
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    Oct 26, 2020, 07:04 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    So you would be opposed to JB expanding it to, let's say, 11 justices?
    Abraham Lincoln expanded it to ten in order to add another abolitionist vote. Was that bad?
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    Oct 26, 2020, 07:08 PM
    That wasn't the question. You said, "And if Congress and the president add and subtract justices at will, it will tarnish the ideal that it stands for." So based on that, would you support JB expanding it to eleven?
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    Oct 26, 2020, 07:21 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    That wasn't the question. You said, "And if Congress and the president add and subtract justices at will, it will tarnish the ideal that it stands for." So based on that, would you support JB expanding it to nine?
    Now it's nine. You had said eleven earlier. How about three?

    The words "at will" mean something. Do you understand what?
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    Oct 26, 2020, 07:22 PM
    I meant eleven. Just edited it.
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    Oct 26, 2020, 07:27 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    I meant eleven. Just edited it.
    Why? and what about my second question?
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    Oct 26, 2020, 07:39 PM
    Never mind. Forget it.

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