[paraclete]

very telling that you consider that a good thing.

don't know who this remark is directed to, Tal or myself, but there is no sarcasm font, so for the record i don't consider limitations of individual a good thing but there must be some limitations otherwise there is anarchy

The Presidential Commission on Debates needs to be disbanded .No Republican should agree to participate in any debate until it is.two moderators, one chosen by each candidate.

so in this case you think limitations of individual freedom a good thing, please make up your mind

[tomder55]

Quid : the unions built the middle class no matter your Ace Rage or gender

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdV1AjvAsE8

He also called his running mate a camel.

[Athos]

Quid : the unions built the middle class no matter your Ace Rage or gender

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdV1AjvAsE8

He also called his running mate a camel.

Biden has been afflicted with a speech impediment from childhood - he worked diligently to overcome it, but a difficulty rises from time to time. A source of the empathy Biden possesses.

Empathy that Trump totally lacks - a result of that spoon of silver in his mouth from the day of his birth. Or should I say "hatched" - a term more suitable to Trump's reptilian nature.

[jlisenbe]

Well, the Biden house of cards is becoming to come down. There is very little doubt now that the emails were authentic and belonged to HB.
"Tony Bobulinski, who was listed as the recipient of an email published by the New York Post that appeared to detail a business arrangement involving a Chinese company and members of the Biden family, has confirmed that the email is "genuine" and provided more information regarding the Bidens' role in the deal."


https://nypost.com/2020/10/22/hunter...ns-from-china/
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hun...e-biden-advice

[talaniman]

Wonder if the Biden's used the same bank in China the dufus does?

[jlisenbe]

There is no evidence Trump used a Chinese bank, but even if he did, it is not against the law. Trading government influence for cash is.

[talaniman]

But your post said the Biden's were cashing in after Biden left politics so that would be legal wouldn't it? The dufus has been doing it for years just ask his daughter about all her patents granted by China when the dufus became the prez.

https://apnews.com/article/0a3283036...a4aa3c6dd01727

[jlisenbe]

But your post said the Biden's were cashing in after Biden left politics so that would be legal wouldn't it?

Biden left politics prior to 2016? Huh

The dufus has been doing it for years just ask his daughter about all her patents granted by China when the dufus became the prez.

What would be wrong with his daughter receiving patents?

[talaniman]

Haven't seen anything the Biden's have done that makes the dufus a better choice for prez, and I have voted already. So all these last minute accusations and assertions are just POLITICS. You've said as much yourself many times.

[jlisenbe]

Haven't seen anything the Biden's have done that makes the dufus a better choice for prez, and I have voted already.

And you want to accuse me of not following the news.

So all these last minute accusations and assertions are just POLITICS. You've said as much yourself many times.

You're making things up again.

[tomder55]

Did Quid just say we had a good relationship with Hitler ? I think he did .

[talaniman]

That's historical fact Tom as American business slobbed all over him even after he started invading Europe. You should look that up.

[paraclete]

That's historical fact Tom as American business slobbered all over him even after he started invading Europe. You should look that up.

Yes America loves genocidal maniacs, until they don't. Hitler, Stalin, Saddam, Xi, Kim just to name a few

[jlisenbe]

You should look that up.

Why do you make these outlandish statements for which you have no documentation, and then want someone else to do your work for you?

[tomder55]

I don't mind doing Tal's research for him. With the exception of a few American officials like Joe Kennedy ,the US did NOT have good relations with Hitler's Germany . Public opinion in the US was strongly negative toward Nazi Germany and Hitler . But the US was in an isolationist mood . I reference the US Embassy in Germany .

The rise of Hitler's National Socialist Party and the resulting persecution of Jews and political dissidents brought about another break in German-American relations. However, an isolationist Congress and American public did not allow the administration of President Franklin D. Roosevelt to do much to resist Hitler's rise to power. The Reciprocal Trade Agreements Act of 1934 was severed. After the "Reichskristallnacht" in 1938, the American ambassador was recalled but diplomatic relations were not severed.
A new wave of emigration from Germany to the United States occurred. These refugees from Nazi Germany included Albert Einstein, Thomas Mann, Kurt Weill and Marlene Dietrich, and other artists, scientists, musicians, and scholars. With the exception of the German-American Bund, with Fritz Kuhn as its "Führer," there was little Nazi support in the United States. Most German-Americans were loyal to the United States and indifferent to the appeal of international Nazism.

https://usa.usembassy.de/garelations0139.htm

FDR pressed Hitler, through letters, to refrain from invading other countries . He did not appease Hitler in any way except perhaps for publicly applauding the Munich Accords ,while realizing it was a temporary delay in the inevitable . The US started to rearm in anticipation before the beginning of WWII.

[jlisenbe]

Your move, Tal.

[tomder55]

Since I know what Tal meant I'll go further . He conflates official American foreign relations with the business relations some American corporations had in Germany ;many of them predating Hitler's rise. Example Henry Ford admired Hitler early on. Most of these companies were losing money during the Weimar years . Hitler did turn the economy around and made those American subsidiaries profitable again . Journalists like the despicable Arthur Hays Sulzberger, of the NY Slimes ,covered up the persecution of the Jews and later the holocaust .

Again ;Quid tried to smear Trump having a personal relationship with un Kim The only way Quid's point is valid is if FDR and US policy was friendly towards Hitler .
Trump may be able to talk to un Kim . But US policy is not friendly to the NORKS at all. AND FDR and US policy was NEVER friendly towards Hitler .

[talaniman]

You're partially correct Tom, but I was specific in referencing businesses as opposed to US government because they played a major role in the Nazi war efforts during the war.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._the_Holocaust

Point being that little has changed in the relationships between business and foreign governments and the official US policy. Big Biz does what they want then as NOW.

[Athos]

Since I know what Tal meant I'll go further . He conflates official American foreign relations with the business relations some American corporations had in Germany

Tal did ZERO conflating. That was you that did the conflating. Tal clearly cited BUSINESSES - not the US government or the American people - that did business in Germany during the war.

Again ;Quid tried to smear Trump having a personal relationship with un Kim

SMEAR?????? Do you mean Trump saying he was in love with the Korean thug? You have an odd definition of "smear".

FDR and US policy was NEVER friendly towards Hitler .

Tal NEVER said it was!

[tomder55]

No that is what Quid said . Tal went off on a non sequitur. Neither Trump or Quid was talking about business relationships . They were talking about diplomacy .