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    Oct 8, 2020, 04:24 PM
    What Do Hydroxychloroquine, Regeneron, and Remdesivir Have in Common?
    They have all been prominently touted by Trump from March to the present day.

    What Trump HASN'T touted is that he has profited substantially from the three drugs. The Office of Government Ethics has reported that Trump gained $50,000 to $100,000 from Regeneron Pharmaceuticals, and $100,000 to $1,000,000 from Gilead Sciences. Both are makers of Remdesivir and Regeneron.

    Also reported: Trump's family investments have a large ownership in Sanofi, a major producer of Hydroxychloroquine.

    It is more evidence that Trump has far more concern for his financial status than he does for the American public, now passing 210,000 deaths. Predictions are that 400,000 deaths will be realized by year's end. Trump, even today, continues to minimize the threat from the killer virus because the facts threaten his re-election efforts.
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    Oct 8, 2020, 04:46 PM
    Interesting, Trump is an investor in big Pharma, it would be a smart investment in an era of pandemics, particularly if trump is a beneficiary in more ways than one
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    Oct 9, 2020, 09:20 AM
    "The antibody cocktail that President Trump received for his COVID-19 infection and touted on Wednesday evening as a 'cure' for the deadly virus was developed using cells derived from aborted fetal tissue..."
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/regener...-fetal-tissue/
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    Oct 10, 2020, 05:59 AM
    From the article.

    "That cell line was originally derived from the kidney tissue of a fetus aborted in the Netherlands in the 1970s." The position of most pro-lifers that I know of is that there is no point is destroying these already existing cell lines used for research. It is the destruction of 900,000 human beings a year that we object to.

    "There is no fetal tissue present in the final product."

    The Pres seems fine and is returning to a normal schedule over the next few days. Looks like the doctors' earlier pronouncements were correct.
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    Oct 10, 2020, 06:14 AM
    If you take the narrow limited pronouncements at face value and ignore the unanswered questions like is the prez FULLY recovered, or just feeling better because he is really doped up, has he actually passed the tests as outline by the CDC, or can he infect people still? He didn't even answer Rush, or Hannity's questions in that regard and certainly his doctors are under constraint to not be fully forthcoming with data and information, and for some that's all good.

    Does he even have enough uninfected staff to do his job, which has got to be more than running his mouth and tweeting.
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    Oct 10, 2020, 06:31 AM
    Yep. Couldn't possibly be a pretty simple issue like the pres got sick, he received great med care, and then recovered fairly quickly. It has to be some sort of sinister conspiracy, doesn't it?
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    Oct 10, 2020, 06:59 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Yep. Couldn't possibly be a pretty simple issue like the pres got sick, he received great med care, and then recovered fairly quickly. It has to be some sort of sinister conspiracy, doesn't it?
    There doesn't have to be a conspiracy, just a lack of information and unanswered questions that don't verify his health status, or confirm he isn't a danger to others and he is indeed out of the woods, and not just feeling better.

    "Trust but verify" /King Ronald Reagan.

    It's that simple.
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    Oct 10, 2020, 08:08 AM
    Or it could just be that the docs are simply telling the truth and the "anti-Trumpers" always, always want to trash anything positive that comes out about him.
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    Oct 10, 2020, 09:18 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    ... just a lack of information and unanswered questions that don't verify his health status, or confirm he isn't a danger to others and he is indeed out of the woods, and not just feeling better.
    Remember when we got daily reports from the WH that Trump had tested negative? Now, nobody's reporting nothin'.
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    Oct 10, 2020, 09:24 AM
    Ooooohhhhhhh!
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    Oct 10, 2020, 09:30 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Ooooohhhhhhh!
    I sense you're in pain. Remember, I have a month's supply of prednisone that will help you feel magnanimous and jolly and confident.
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    Oct 10, 2020, 09:34 AM
    Nah. I'll just pay no attention to your alarming report about..."nothing" being said. "Your honor, I'd like to introduce as evidence against Mr. Trump...'nothing'." How far do you think you'd get with that?

    Just more TDS at work.
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    Oct 10, 2020, 09:38 AM
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    Nah. I'll just pay no attention to your alarming report about..."nothing" being said. "Your honor, I'd like to introduce as evidence against Mr. Trump...'nothing'." How far do you think you'd get with that?

    Just more TDS at work.
    What's being said? Trump was videotaped while having trouble catching his breath and coughing while on the phone. Pence's pink eye and cold sore are immunity problems because of COVID?
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    Oct 10, 2020, 09:48 AM
    Nothing, according to you. You know, "nothing"? Kind of like what Harris and Biden are telling us about their view of packing the Supreme Court.

    Just out today.

    “Well, sir don’t the voters deserve to know…?” reporter Ross DiMattei asked.
    No they don’t.... I'm not gonna play his game, he’d love me to talk about, and I’ve already said something on court packing, he’d love that to be the discussion instead of what he’s doing now,”
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bid...-supreme-court

    Harris and Biden will also not clear up their statements on doing away with Trump's tax cuts for the middle class. That is also "nothing".
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    Oct 10, 2020, 09:53 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Nothing, according to you. You know, "nothing"? Kind of like what Harris and Biden are telling us about their view of packing the Supreme Court.
    Trump et al. have even bragged about packing the SC so it will be conservative for decades to come.
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    Oct 10, 2020, 11:06 AM
    Trump et al. have even bragged about packing the SC
    No, he has not. Absolutely untrue unless, of course, you have no idea of what "packing the court means.

    so it will be conservative for decades to come.
    It was liberal for decades. Did that bother you? I'd just like to see them stop making it up as they go along.

    So I'm going to ask a question that I already know will not be answered in any credible fashion, but just for the fun of it, are you really OK with Biden saying you don't deserve to know his position on packing SCOTUS?
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    Oct 10, 2020, 11:39 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Nothing, according to you. You know, "nothing"? Kind of like what Harris and Biden are telling us about their view of packing the Supreme Court.

    Just out today.



    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bid...-supreme-court
    Makes sense since neither has ever said they would, nor wish to give the rightwing loony machine any ammo on the subject, who are the ones making it a big deal after some lefty brought it up in response to the repubs packing the courts even after they said they wouldn't going back to denying Obama his pick...no hearings...no vote...no nothing.

    Harris and Biden will also not clear up their statements on doing away with Trump's tax cuts for the middle class. That is also "nothing".
    They both have clearly said they would repeal those permanent tax cuts for the rich and raise taxes for the over $400,000 crowd. You must have missed it watching and reading the right wing noise machine.
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    Oct 10, 2020, 12:01 PM
    Makes sense since neither has ever said they would, nor wish to give the rightwing loony machine any ammo on the subject, who are the ones making it a big deal after some lefty brought it up in response to the repubs packing the courts even after they said they wouldn't
    The repubs have said no such thing. And if Harris/Biden don't intend to pack the court, wouldn't it be a simple matter to simply say so?

    going back to denying Obama his pick...no hearings...no vote...no nothing.
    That's what happens when you have the WH but not the Senate. Stop complaining,

    And as a guy who claims to despise lying (but only when done by Trump), I'm sure you are thoroughly offended by Harris' lie about what Lincoln said? Hmmm?
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    Oct 10, 2020, 12:10 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Harris and Biden will also not clear up their statements on doing away with Trump's tax cuts for the middle class. That is also "nothing".
    MIDDLE CLASS

    Biden's tax plan will not increase the middle class income up to $400,000.

    Expand the child tax credit to $3,000 with a $600 bonus for children under 6 – this is a refundable credit.

    Increase dependent tax credit up to $8,000 – refundable credit.

    Create $5,000 tax credit for caring for older relatives.

    WEALTHY

    Increase tax rate over $400,000 income from 37% to 39.6%.

    Increase payroll tax ceiling to incomes over $400,000.

    Increase capital gains tax for income over $1,000,000 to 39.6% from 20%.

    Roll back gift and estate taxes credit that doubled for wealthy to what it was.

    Increase corporation tax to 28% from 21%.

    Create a minimum tax for corporations with billions in profits who pay zero taxes.


    A refundable credit is a credit that is received by the taxpayer even if there is no income for it to be charged against.
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    Oct 10, 2020, 03:09 PM
    Dramatic increases to taxes. Dramatic reductions in economic growth. Hello socialism.

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