[paraclete]

https://www.news.com.au/finance/econ...6f2fb97ee50629

the latest and the best conspiracy theory to date, cov19 is a chinese hoax, an attack directed at the world economies to promote China and gain the upper hand economically. Does anyone think it strange that after a successful lockdown of Wuhan, China has emerged with a low rate of infection while the rest of the world has suffered economic degradation by following the same plan. This makes the Chinese system of government seem highly successful. Of course, it hasn't come without a kick in the bum as firms withdraw from China and relocate to other low cost countries and renewed calls for investigation into how the pandemic started as the Chinese narrative is only believed by the most niaive. Along with this is the number of infections in the US could discredit Trump and estabilise the US. Perhaps this virus is specifically targetted at a specific genetic group, Italians and southern europeans are very susceptable and there are many related in the US but look at the effect in Italy and Spain and related races

[talaniman]

https://www.news.com.au/finance/econ...6f2fb97ee50629

the latest and the best conspiracy theory to date, cov19 is a chinese hoax, an attack directed at the world economies to promote China and gain the upper hand economically. Does anyone think it strange that after a successful lockdown of Wuhan, China has emerged with a low rate of infection while the rest of the world has suffered economic degradation by following the same plan. This makes the Chinese system of government seem highly successful. Of course, it hasn't come without a kick in the bum as firms withdraw from China and relocate to other low cost countries and renewed calls for investigation into how the pandemic started as the Chinese narrative is only believed by the most niaive. Along with this is the number of infections in the US could discredit Trump and estabilise the US. Perhaps this virus is specifically targetted at a specific genetic group, Italians and southern europeans are very susceptable and there are many related in the US but look at the effect in Italy and Spain and related races

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In my own mind it matters little what the Chinese do or say, but how we handle what has happened and whether it was intentional or not you either let this thing run rampant, or get it under control. For sure most nations have the national discipline for control, and the social safety net to help its citizens through a shutdown and the economic pain it causes. Safety comes first and unfortunately the US has none of that going for it, and no leadership to effectively address it. That can't be blamed on China, or the virus to be frank about it.

[paraclete]

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In my own mind it matters little what the Chinese do or say, but how we handle what has happened and whether it was intentional or not you either let this thing run rampant, or get it under control. For sure most nations have the national discipline for control, and the social safety net to help its citizens through a shutdown and the economic pain it causes. Safety comes first and unfortunately the US has none of that going for it, and no leadership to effectively address it. That can't be blamed on China, or the virus to be frank about it.

So in your mind Trump is responsible even if it is a targetted attack

[talaniman]

He is responsible for the atrocious response to the virus YES! He knew it would be a major disaster yet he tells everybody to ignore it and go about their business. You call that responsible?

[paraclete]

He is responsible for the atrocious response to the virus YES! He knew it would be a major disaster yet he tells everybody to ignore it and go about their business. You call that responsible?

He was trying the Swedish approach, from an economic perspective it seems logical, from a medical perspective maybe not, but the death rate is no higher than pre CV19, so maybe it was just a wake up call to focus on what is important. The point being that mass panic gets noone anywhere and if you looked at China maybe it wasn't going to be as bad as predicted. He couldn't have known that the US was particularly succeptable which makes my contention that the virus was engineered viable

[tomder55]

The Swede rate of infection is no more or less than their European counterparts . But unlike other European nations ,they remain open for business. The only effect on their economy is how the rest of the world reacted to it and that impact on the global market .
Watching the virus circumnavigate the world and coming back for a second helping makes it hard to make the case that any one person could've had an impact in the spread of the virus except Chinese officials who downplayed the virus to the WHO. Also as I have documented more than once ;if anything Trump was ahead of the curve in responding . He was acting on it while the Dems were obsessed in trying to impeach him . I documented the government response through January /February . I will not post it again .
The Chinese coverup is indisputable . The question of the virus origin is only what's in doubt . I have since learned that Chinese workers cleaning a mine of bat guano were the first to contract the virus and that was in 2012
https://nypost.com/2020/08/15/covid-...12-scientists/

[talaniman]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...rt/ar-BB19us3x

[tomder55]

yeah I'm sure SOME countries are .
Sweden survived the 1st wave and it appears that the nations that went into lock down are experiencing a second wave.

[Athos]

Also as I have documented more than once ;if anything Trump was ahead of the curve in responding

Take the blinders off, tom. Nobody but you is defending the Trump failure to act timely to avoid 80% of the to-date 205,000 deaths.

I documented the government response through January /February . I will not post it again

Good you won't post it again. It was worthless as others pointed out at the time. We all now know that while Trump was publicly calling COVID a hoax, he was privately aware it was a deadly virus. His silence was putting the economy ahead of American lives so he could win re-election. Sad that I have to tell you this.

The Chinese coverup is indisputable .

That does nothing to relieve Trump of his failed responsibility.

[talaniman]

yeah I'm sure SOME countries are .
Sweden survived the 1st wave and it appears that the nations that went into lock down are experiencing a second wave.

The key word is "went". Lockdown slowed the spread and as they reopen the spread continues ergo the faster the reopening, the faster the spread, so it's not the second wave, but a continuation of the first. In addition the more that the safety protocols are ignored the more the virus spreads.

In that context even Sweden isn't out of the woods yet, just like the rest

[tomder55]

The key word is "went". Lockdown slowed the spread and as they reopen the spread continues ergo the faster the reopening, the faster the spread, so it's not the second wave, but a continuation of the first. In addition the more that the safety protocols are ignored the more the virus spreads.

In that context even Sweden isn't out of the woods yet, just like the rest

https://www.nbcnews.com/now/video/sw...ve-92968517951

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/29/w...-strategy.html

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...es-since-march

[paraclete]

don't worry Sweden has Greta, she will say how dare you and the virus will be gone

[talaniman]

Amazing how we rush to holler success when it's obvious that Sweden is unique and what they do works for them for NOW, but could hardly be duplicated elsewhere with any long term positive outcomes.

[paraclete]

I'm not sure it worked, tal, they kept their economy open but now they face a second wave. They benefited from being a little more remote

[talaniman]

A very different culture and life style for sure. I read half the population already lives alone.

[paraclete]

You know this looks more and more like a targetted attack, just like the plot of the series Condor with a little twist, of course. Actually not stranger than fiction

[talaniman]

It's shameful every other nation is dealing with this virus better than the so called greatest nation in history. If China wanted to make us look stupid they certainly have done that. Heck it's not like we were all that good looking before the virus.

[paraclete]

It looks like a targetted attack to me, you are very susceptible, just like the European nations are very susceptible

[talaniman]

Any place with high population density has the potential to spread the virus very quickly.

[paraclete]

Tal, it is more than that, the virus is genetically engineered. How was China able to get it under control so quickly and keep it under control, it is because their population are not so susceptible