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Athos · Sep 10, 2020, 05:43 AM

Woodward took down Nixon, now he's doing the same to Trump.

Trump knew about the serious nature of COVID-19 back in January. Over the first weeks and months, he also became aware of the devastating effect the virus had on children. During all this time that he knew the truth about the virus, he continually lied to the public.

Trump said it was a "hoax". It was started by the Democrats. Children were immune. No one has been killed by the virus. It will go away like a miracle, or when the hot weather arrives. No one should lock down, the economy should immediately be opened. Masks are optional, a vaccine will be ready very soon, maybe by October. Etc., etc., etc. By now, his lies are known to be strictly for public consumption in order for him to be re-elected.

The truth was that Trump was saying the exact opposite in private. His failure to tell the truth and act accordingly has caused as many as 100,000 deaths - some say as many as 80% of the nearly 200,000 to date.

The above lies by Trump have been caught on tape and are being played over all the news stations world-wide. This is one time, he can't lie himself out of it.

In one week, there have been ruinous examples of the evil nature of this man. First, the mean and nasty comments about American fighting men who defend and sometimes die for their country. Second, this explosive story from Woodward.

talaniman · Sep 10, 2020, 06:43 AM

Can't imagine all those true believers didn't see this coming. I guess all that red meat from the last few years kept them fat and happy and dumb just like a con man likes his suckers.

Vlad's investment has paid off.

Wondergirl · Sep 10, 2020, 11:46 AM

What astounds me is the Trump supporters who ignore all that and so much more -- and are sticking with him. "Well, he's against abortion, so I'll vote for him in November." Or, "Hey, look at how the economy has improved under him!"

tomder55 · Sep 11, 2020, 09:10 AM

We knew Trump played down the virus threat at the time because he said so publicly many times . Here is an exchange with Jim Acosta in April .

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/...on-sot-vpx.cnn

If he really thought C-19 was no worse than the flu he wouldn't have implemented travel restrictions from China on Jan 31 and Europe on March 11. While he was taking action Dems like Madam Mim was walking around Chinatown telling everyone there was no danger on Feb 24 . il Duce said “We have been here before, and I want to remind New Yorkers that it is much more likely that they will be exposed to the influenza virus than to the coronavirus.” on Jan 30 . That same week Quid called the travel ban xenophobic /racist . Sandinista Bill was encouraging NY's to ride the subways ,go the China day and St Patty's day parades . The emperor was saying people should not wear masks because health workers need them . In contrast ;by underplaying it Trump mobilized private-public efforts for testing, PPE and vaccines, and prevented a financial meltdown in March.
I liken this to the decision made to not tell the people of NYC the damage that was done to the slurry wall of the WTC on 9-11. If you are not aware ;the slurry wall held back the Hudson River. It was severely weakened during the 9-11 attack . Had it been breached ,the river would 've flooded down town NYC and permanently damaged the Path train tubes . Also underplayed and not revealed to the public was and are the many terrorist threats . It is an outright lie to say that Trump downplaying the virus cause more deaths .

Don't worry . Next week they will come up with another bombshell revelation meant to derail Trump's reelection . Just like Woodward's and the 'Atlantic' attempts ,they will fail to move the needle.

Athos · Sep 11, 2020, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

It is an outright lie to say that Trump downplaying the virus cause more deaths .

Gee, tomder, that was sure interesting about the Hudson River and the slurry and the 9-11 attack and influenza and walking around Chinatown - but, here's the problem: none of that has anything to do with what this thread is about. Nothing. Nada.

Go back and read again about Woodward's interview. Done? Ok.

By now you must be aware that Trump is on tape publicly denying the COVID-19 danger, even at one time calling it a "hoax". All the time, he was privately admitting the exact opposite of his public pronouncements. Had he been truthful from the get-go and told the truth even ONE WEEK sooner, he would have saved 36,000 from dying. TWO WEEKS and the figure saved jumps to 82% of the total.

I understand that you want to defend Trump, but you're failing miserably. Let's face it - Trump's behavior in this business where we have his actual words is indefensible.

Today, at the Trump rally, a supporter was interviewd by a (masked) reporter. The supporter, almost yelling, loudly stated that the pandemic was a HOAX!! He seemed like a normal-looking gentleman - until he opened his mouth.

What is it about you and that guy that makes you put aside your brain-power and go with whatever Trump says, even when he's so friggin' obviously wrong?

tomder55 · Sep 11, 2020, 01:28 PM

another mischaracteration is saying that he said c-19 was a hoax .Maybe you should read what he actually said .

Now the Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus, you know that right? Coronavirus, they’re politicizing it. We did one of the great jobs. You say, “How’s President Trump doing?” They go, “Oh, not good, not good.” They have no clue. They don’t have any clue. They can’t even count their votes in Iowa. They can’t even count. No, they can’t. They can’t count their votes.
One of my people came up to me and said, “Mr. President, they tried to beat you on Russia, Russia, Russia.” That didn’t work out too well. They couldn’t do it. They tried the impeachment hoax. That was on a perfect conversation. They tried anything. They tried it over and over. They’d been doing it since you got in. It’s all turning. They lost. It’s all turning. Think of it. Think of it. And this is their new hoax.

Reporter, Feb. 29: You were down in Charleston last night, using the word “hoax” when talking about Democrats. Somebody now is dead from this. Do you regret that kind of talk?
Trump: No, no, no. “Hoax” referring to the action that they take to try and pin this on somebody, because we’ve done such a good job. The hoax is on them, not — I’m not talking about what’s happening here; I’m talking what they’re doing. That’s the hoax. That’s just a continuation of the hoax, whether it’s the impeachment hoax or the “Russia, Russia, Russia” hoax. This is what I’m talking about. Certainly not referring to this. How could anybody refer to this? This is very serious stuff.

so when the Dems downplay C-19 by comparing it to the flu that is ok .

talaniman · Sep 11, 2020, 01:38 PM

tomder55 · Sep 11, 2020, 02:04 PM

As mentioned . The President explained months ago that he intentionally downplayed the threat so as not to cause a panic . Was the press lying too ....was it their intention to mislead the public ?

NY Slimes op ed Feb 5

Who Says It’s Not Safe to Travel to ChinaThe coronavirus travel ban is unjust and doesn’t work anyway.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/05/o...ronavirus.html

Feb the Compost wrote

Get a grippe, America. The flu is a much bigger threat than coronavirus, for now.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/time-for-a-reality-check-america-the-flu-is-a-much-bigger-threat-than-coronavirus-for-now/2020/01/31/46a15166-4444-11ea-b5fc-eefa848cde99_story.html

AP wrote in Feb

Is the new virus more 'deadly' than flu? Not exactly

https://apnews.com/6f7d691099b499bbf...0disease%20is.

The Daily Beast wrote

The Virus Killing U.S. Kids Isn’t the One Dominating the Headlines

https://www.thedailybeast.com/flu-no...e-luca-calanni

jlisenbe · Sep 11, 2020, 02:53 PM

Tom, that was a really good post.

"Well, he's against abortion, so I'll vote for him in November." Or, "Hey, look at how the economy has improved under him!"

Well, can't imagine why someone would vote for a person because that person has shown a willingness to stand against abortion and a clear ability to develop a healthy economy. Such trivialities!

Wondergirl · Sep 11, 2020, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Well, can't imagine why someone would vote for a person because that person has shown a willingness to stand against abortion and a clear ability to develop a healthy economy. Such trivialities!

He might be against abortion, but how many living, breathing souls has he killed and meanwhile destroyed businesses and education?

paraclete · Sep 11, 2020, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

He might be against abortion, but how many living, breathing souls has he killed and meanwhile destroyed businesses and education?

He actually hasn't done any of that, you credit him with too much power he is just a bad mouthpiece

jlisenbe · Sep 11, 2020, 08:56 PM

how many living, breathing souls has he killed and meanwhile destroyed businesses and education?

What?? He has killed no one. And as far as destroying businesses are concerned, it's a shame you aren't nearly as concerned with Antifa and BLM who actually DO destroy businesses. So I guess your point is that it's OK to kill 900,000 humans a year as long as you don't kill any adults???

Athos · Sep 11, 2020, 11:24 PM

Originally Posted by tomder55

As mentioned . The President explained months ago that he intentionally downplayed the threat so as not to cause a panic

He explained nothing of the sort months ago. In point of FACT, he said it was all a big hoax (Democratic, if you will). You can play the semantic game all day long, but it won't help your case.

Now that he has been caught ON TAPE, he's come up with this "avoiding panic" lie. Who's kidding whom? Trump has NEVER considered avoiding panic in anything he does! Good Lord, have you watched his actions the last 20 or 30 years? HE STARTS A PANIC EVERY CHANCE HE GETS. He encourages violence with his many dog whistles and thanks the bad guys. If you don't know this about Trump by now, you don't know anything about him.

Athos · Sep 11, 2020, 11:39 PM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

He might be against abortion, but how many living, breathing souls has he killed and meanwhile destroyed businesses and education?

For years, Trump was pro choice. It was only when he discovered the white evangelicals were a one-issue voting bloc, he switched to anti-abortion. He famously hesitated when he was asked whether women getting abortions should be punished. He answered "yes" and when it hit the roof the next day, he quickly backtracked and said"no". The punishment of women has never been part of the discussion but Trump was unaware of this most simple fact.

As far as killing, the scientists are now estimating Trump's failure to act early enough when, as we now know, HE WAS FULLY AWARE OF THE DEADLY NATURE OF COVID-19, resulted in as many as 160,000 of the deaths (now approaching 200,000).

This is a SCIENTIFIC estimate, NOT a political estimate.

tomder55 · Sep 12, 2020, 03:44 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55
As mentioned . The President explained months ago that he intentionally downplayed the threat so as not to cause a panic

He explained nothing of the sort months ago. In point of FACT, he said it was all a big hoax (Democratic, if you will). You can play the semantic game all day long, but it won't help your case.

I already linked to an exchange he had with Jim Acosta where he said he downplayed it to prevent a panic .

Athos · Sep 12, 2020, 04:55 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

I already linked to an exchange he had with Jim Acosta where he said he downplayed it to prevent a panic .

Do you mean the link provided by CNN? The context has Acosta listing all the lies Trump told as the death count had reached 158,000. That's when Trump came up with the phony excuse that he was avoiding a panic. Not a very good strategy even if it were true since the numbers were out of sight by then.

We have another issue pending, tomder. Should I bring it up, or will you?

jlisenbe · Sep 12, 2020, 06:06 AM

I hope your "pending issue" turns out to be more valid than the last "pending issue" you brought up, which was the now thoroughly discredited Atlantic report. We'll continue to see these canned scandals as the election comes nearer. How else can you explain Woodward holding on to Trump's interview until now?

People critical of Trump's handling of the Covid crisis are strangely silent about the mismanagement perpetrated by democrat governors and mayors. Wonder why? It's just another example of the dem's election strategy. Point to anything and everything and blame it on Trump. Reach a level of near-hysteria (forests are burning, a hurricane came ashore, a derecho struck, the sky is falling) on a daily basis in an effort to scare people into voting for a man who is far, far past his prime, and that's assuming he ever had one.

As to Tom's earlier post, it is clear that the NYT, the Post, the AP, and the DB were all collaborating with Trump in that massive lie about the non-lethal nature of CV-19. Well, you can't make this stuff up. Life is indeed stranger than fiction.

Athos · Sep 12, 2020, 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by Athos

We have another issue pending, tomder. Should I bring it up, or will you?

Your move, tomder.

jlisenbe · Sep 12, 2020, 02:28 PM

Have pity on the blind.

tomder55 · Sep 12, 2020, 02:59 PM

What Athos wants from me is a thesis on why I think the Dems are socialists ;a self evident proposition . I have time to do at best summaries with links . To do the specifics requested would require more of my time than I choose to do at this time .. Maybe on a snowy winter weekend I can get into that type of detail . Suffice it to say that Quid has adopted almost in entirety the Bolshevik Bernie and AllOutCrazy agenda . When he gets called out on it ,like fracking in PA. ,he backs down and denies he ever suggested it should be banned .