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    Aug 2, 2020, 03:17 AM
    School teachers will wear masks? Students will wear masks? All will social distance? I used to teach school. I see problems ahead.
    welcome to the new reality . What makes teachers so special besides their unions . I used to hear that teaching was the most essential profession . Now they rank below grocery clerks and factory workers ?

    . Ask yourself, how does the economy recover when there is nothing to buy and sell?
    exactly But we will all be 'safe' in our hermetically sealed bubbles .

    I agree with WG - Trump dips his toe in the water to see what is possible. He never just is "messin'" with Dems.
    Under which law would he delay the election ? Election dates are set by Congress. What do you think he will do ; hide underneath the Resolute Desk ? If he loses the election he is gone. But he loves feeding all your paranoia .

    What nicer gift to a friend named Vlad than withdrawing troops from Germany
    why continue defending German beer halls ? If NATO troops are needed then they are needed in Poland and the Baltic States . You want to talk about cozy relations with Putin you should look at Merkel's .

    Anything Vlad could do is unlikely to affect the outcome, and moving troops to Poland isn't weakening NATO, just putting Germany in its place and Vlad on notice
    Thank you . At least you get strategic thinking .
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    Aug 2, 2020, 03:24 AM
    It's not the troop movements Clete, so much as the dufus framing the rhetoric toward our allies that is offensive.
    Why do we need to stroke them ? He called them out for not contributing their share. Germany hasn't come close to reaching their 2% commitment . So let them defend the Hofbrauhaus themselves .

    Have you considered that it is time to put soviet era ideas in the waste bin of history
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    Aug 2, 2020, 05:55 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Under which law would he delay the election ? Election dates are set by Congress. What do you think he will do ;
    Law means nothing to Trump. With the backing of Barr and the Repub senate, Trump could cause plenty of confusion.

    If he loses the election he is gone.
    In a normal world, yes. We're not living in a normal world.

    But he loves feeding all your paranoia.
    To what purpose? Why are you supporting Trump. I thought you didn't like him.

    If NATO troops are needed then they are needed in Poland and the Baltic States
    They are being relocated to the US, Italy, and Belgium.
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    Aug 2, 2020, 06:01 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Germany hasn't come close to reaching their 2% commitment .
    It has paid more than any other European country and has recently increased its payments by 10%. In any case, it's far ahead of Italy and Belgium where the troops are headed.

    We do have a common interest in defeating jihadistan and containing the rise of a belligerent China. When China looks for lebensraum and resources they have been importing ,then Siberia has to look tempting .
    Not a chance.
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    Aug 2, 2020, 06:39 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    welcome to the new reality . What makes teachers so special besides their unions . I used to hear that teaching was the most essential profession . Now they rank below grocery clerks and factory workers ?e
    I was never in a union. So you'd now, with covid running loose, happily teach a classroom of thirty active, maybe coughing and sneezing (silly, it's just a cold!), third and fourth graders?
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    Aug 2, 2020, 07:54 AM
    like I said ;welcome to the new reality


    Law means nothing to Trump. With the backing of Barr and the Repub senate, Trump could cause plenty of confusion.
    nope he would be escorted out of the Oval office. The only way he could hold onto power would be if the military backed his coup attempt . Amazing to me how much projection is in these irrational fears . The only case I see if people trying to overturn the results of an election were the Democrats for the last 4 years .

    Why are you supporting Trump. I thought you didn't like him.
    What choice do I have ? Quid Pro Joe and his commie running mate ? I'm thinking of voting for Jo Jorgensen . But I am not thrilled with the Libertarian foreign policy .

    They are being relocated to the US, Italy, and Belgium.
    Italy makes sense . We could've responded quicker to Benghazi if the emperor had even bothered to respond at all .

    Besides we are also sending troops to Poland
    https://taskandpurpose.com/news/us-p...resence-poland
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    Aug 2, 2020, 09:12 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    like I said ;welcome to the new reality

    Now show me a photo of third and fourth graders -- and the wiggly, active preschoolers I taught for three years. (We can't do quiet storytime the entire time they're in school. We line up for bathroom break and for recess, we do a lot of hands-on, moving-around activities. Hmm, tomder.)
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    Aug 2, 2020, 09:43 AM
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/in...ol/ar-BB17qJ24

    Hope those newly opened schools can afford those covid related expenses. Do kids still go to school when their parents get the virus? Do parents still go to work when the kids get the virus?
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    Aug 2, 2020, 01:36 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Amazing to me how much projection is in these irrational fears .
    Clearly, you haven't been paying attention to the news for the last three-and-a-half years.

    What choice do I have
    Your choice is the Dem candidate who will Make America Great Again! Not a tough choice.

    We could've responded quicker to Benghazi if the emperor had even bothered to respond at all
    You guys will just never drop Benghazi even though your own people exonerated Obama eight times. It's all you got, and it's pathetic.

    Besides we are also sending troops to Poland
    That's old news, tomder. It was from over a year ago and has been delayed because of payment for the troops. Tricky, aren't you?
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    Aug 2, 2020, 08:03 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/in...ol/ar-BB17qJ24

    Hope those newly opened schools can afford those covid related expenses. Do kids still go to school when their parents get the virus? Do parents still go to work when the kids get the virus?
    When you isolate you isolate, otherwise you are likely to spread the virus
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    #51

    Aug 2, 2020, 10:37 PM
    Just to get on the lighter side
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALGkQq3RJ7k
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    Aug 3, 2020, 08:55 AM
    When you isolate you isolate, otherwise you are likely to spread the virus
    Like that dictatorial draconian lock down imposed on Melbourne ?
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    Aug 3, 2020, 09:29 AM
    20 countries have reopened their schools.Some others, including Taiwan, and Sweden, never closed their schools.
    I already linked to a letter by American pediatrics urging schools to reopen . There is a similar one from Brit pediatrics .
    https://www.rcpch.ac.uk/sites/defaul...2020-06-17.pdf

    The National Institute of Public Health and Environment in Netherlands also endorses reopening .
    https://www.rivm.nl/en/novel-coronav...n-and-covid-19


    American Academy of Pediatrics has published sensible guidelines and urges the reopening of schools .
    https://services.aap.org/en/pages/20...on-in-schools/

    Austria reopened schools and after a short while stopped the mask requirements because officials observed little spread of the virus . Seems to be that the younger the child the less likely to either catch the disease or to be a spreader (to answer your question about "third and fourth graders -- and the wiggly, active preschoolers "
    Data from France shows that when a student gets the virus ,they are bringing it from home and not contracting it from the school . Japan began reopening schools in June. Parents must take their children’s temperature every morning and provide a report to the schools. Finland reopened schools in May and have retained their standard class size, but have kept classes separated from each other and staggered reopening by age.They have found “ no evidence of school spread and no change in the rate of infection” for students under 16.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...9e0_story.html


    The teacher's unions are not interested in the best interests of the students . I guarantee if the emperor were still President or if Evita had won they would be itching to get back to work .
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    Aug 3, 2020, 03:48 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Like that dictatorial draconian lock down imposed on Melbourne ?
    That has been imposed because the message was being ignored, people behaving like nothing was happening

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/busi...26a7f5294bf960

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-...kdown/12518200

    https://www.news.com.au/national/que...aaa813b3814364
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    Aug 3, 2020, 05:48 PM
    the lock down rules are intolerable .I agree with distancing ,mask wearing ,and sanitizing . That is the protocol that works good enough . Forcibly quarantine those that break the rules . Why punish the people who comply ?
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    Aug 3, 2020, 07:54 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    the lock down rules are intolerable .I agree with distancing ,mask wearing ,and sanitizing . That is the protocol that works good enough . Forcibly quarantine those that break the rules . Why punish the people who comply ?
    these rules are not punishing the people who comply they would be taking these actions anyway, they are punishing those who don't comply by getting their attention and forcing them to demonstrate the required behaviour. You may not realise that a quarter of those quarantined as active cases were not complying. How do you identify them short of locking them up as the criminals they are

    you live in a society where idiots are allowed to roam the streets with weapons, we do not and being an active cv19 case is no different, the virus kills just as effectively and 200 have lost their lives here so far, that is far more than have died from gun fire and surprisingly from seasonal flu. Contrast this with the experience in your nation, your "freedom" has brought you millions of infections and 150,000 dead, so yes, the lockdown is tolerable if the rules are followed

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-...fines/12520954
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    Aug 4, 2020, 03:06 AM
    Leave it to conservatives and dufusites to make a crucial safety measure during a global pandemic a punishment.
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    Aug 4, 2020, 11:31 AM
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    Aug 4, 2020, 12:26 PM
    USPS seems to handle Xmas pretty well, and get rid of the dufus sycophant in charge, the election will be just as good.

    Everything the dufus touches DIES! Look at the repub party, the dufus charities, or bankruptcies! Then there is that banking and insurance fraud investigations, and all the presidents men going to jail AND he is still an unindicted co-conspirator in the Michael Cohen case.

    I rest my case!
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    Aug 4, 2020, 12:44 PM
    USPS seems to handle Xmas pretty well,
    very debatable ;and they are given weeks to deliver . Mail in ballots have a deadline .btw they are still counting the Dem primary ballots here in NY 5 weeks later, and there will probably be a recount, I rest my case .

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