[talaniman]

You know you're being bamboozled when someone cries and whines, but does nothing to change it, or make it better. The key here is the dufus does all he can to make things worse or impossible.

Yes I expect more of the same from him and his sycophant's, just like in 2016, from birtherism, racism, and conspiracy theories based on his own dufusism. What he is doing to the Post Office is but his latest crime, yet another scandal that's a disaster already.

[tomder55]

Doesn't matter what he wants . Here is reality .
The 20th Amendment REQUIRES the President to end his term Jan 20 noon . Election law REQUIRES the states to certify and send their electoral vote to Congress by Dec 23 . The states use the vote to decide the electors but that is NOT a requirement . The President has NO power to delay the election day . Congress and the individual states do . Congress could by statute delegate some of its electoral process powers to the Executive Branch in emergency situation.

The elections could not be postponed or delayed indefinitely . Article I, Section 2 (House ) and the 17th Amendment (Senate ) REQUIRES a new House every 2 years and Senators voted in every 6 .

Any delay of the Presidential election must comply with the Dec 23 deadline . Electors are chosen by the states . The elections are NOT required to determine the slate of electors (although this would probably end up in SCOTUS) . Depending on state law ,Governors or Legislatures determine the slate of electors .

So here is the real deadline ...... Dec. 8, 2020: is the deadline for resolving Election Disputes. All state recounts and court contests over presidential election results MUST be completed by then. December 14th is when the electors meet to vote . Dec 23 the votes are sent to Congress as mentioned . January 6 the new Congress meets in a joint session to count the electoral votes . (The new Congress 1st meets January 3) .

If Congress has to decide because the electors cannot decide who is President then all bets are off. Jan. 20 noon , the Speaker of the House becomes ACTING President . The 20th Amendment allows for this only on a temporary basis . A President and a Vice President must eventually be seated ;either by elector majority or by a Congressional vote .

“Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President shall have qualified, declaring who shall then ACT as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.”

If no one gets a majority, the election goes to the House Since it is most likely that the Dems will control the House , Quid would most likely become President (or if they don't like Basement Joe woooohooo your guess is as good as mine . The good news is that AOC is too young so that option is off the table )

[paraclete]

You see here is where precise dates are impractiable but Trump shutting down the business of the post office to prevent mail in voting that is a total disconnect

[tomder55]

he is not shutting down the Post office .More lies I know ;the left wants flexible dates until results they like are achieved. .

[paraclete]

why don't you call an election right now, no, you can't do that your inflexible constitution gets in the way. Trump appears to have lost the confidence of the people so the answer is go to the polls. No you have to wait untill more lies are poured forth upon the people

[Athos]

Doesn't matter what he wants . Here is reality .
The 20th Amendment REQUIRES the President to end his term Jan 20 noon . Election law REQUIRES the states to certify and send their electoral vote to Congress by Dec 23 . The states use the vote to decide the electors but that is NOT a requirement . The President has NO power to delay the election day............................................... ...[SKIP]................................................... ................... . Congress and the individual states do . Congress could bo one gets a majority, the election goes to the House Since it is most likely that the Dems will control the House , Quid would most likely become President (or if they don't like Basement Joe woooohooo your guess is as good as mine . The good news is that AOC is too young so that option is off the table )

You keep missing the point, tom. Trump DOES NOT REGARD THE LAW AS APPLYING TO HIM. If push comes to shove, he will have his personal attorney AG Barr simply get around any law in the way. You remember Barr, don't you? He's the legal genius who said the law does not apply to Trump. Let's see if he gets away with what he's attempting to do with the Post Office - a bold in-your-face attempt to sabotage the election.

[tomder55]

your inflexible constitution gets in the way.

to both Clete and Athos . Thank God for that inflexible Constitution . Athos the first of the dominos from the administration that actually did try to steal an election pled guilty today . One by one the rest of the conspirators are going to go down too .

[Wondergirl]

Thank God for that inflexible Constitution . Athos the first of the dominos from the administration that actually did try to steal an election pled guilty today . One by one the rest of the conspirators are going to go down too .

Joyboy, the new Postmaster General, is stripping post offices of sorting equipment and other automated helps so mail processing will take a lot longer. A LOT longer!

[paraclete]

Joyboy, the new Postmaster General, is stripping post offices of sorting equipment and other automated helps so mail processing will take a lot longer. A LOT longer!

The first of many dirty tricks, instead of tricky dickie it will be tricky trumpy

[tomder55]

No one has yet explained to me why it is ok for people in the age of the virus to stand on long lines at big box stores like Walmart ;but it is not ok to stand on lines at polling places .

Roughly 28 million mail in ballots have gone missing across the country over the last 10 years . That wasn't on Trump's watch . That was before C-19 , That was before this desperate new attempt by the Dems to steal the election . This using mail in/absentee ballots to alter elections goes back at least to Florida 2000 when 3,000 military ballots were not counted or used in the total vote of that pivotal State's election results .The bottom line is that sending out the mail in ballots blindly, with no chain of custody, leaves the door open to harvesting or misusing ballots .The result being the disenfranchisement of legitimate votes .

A report by the Public Interest Legal Foundation, an election integrity group, found that more than 200,000 ballots mailed to voters in Clark County , Nevada, were designated by the post office as “undeliverable.” Clark is the most populous county in Nevada , containing the Las Vegas area. It has nearly 75 % of the state’s population . One has to wonder how many were delivered to an address that the addressee no longer resides ? But when someone even suggests that voter rolls be updated the accusation of ' purging the rolls is voter suppression ' is charged .

Now we have that clown in NJ not only saying that mail in ballots are being sent whether requested or not ....but also that anyone who shows up at the polls to vote will have their ballot considered a "provisional ballot" to be counted ONLY in a close contest . He has it all half-assed backwards . NJ is the state where it was PROVEN that mail in ballots tempt fraud . The city of Patterson had 19% of the mail in ballots disqualified in the city council race . Fraud charges were filed as it is clear that the person who won stole the election . But instead of being charged ;the city will now have a special election. Ballots in NJ were lost ,stolen and in one case a mail delivery truck burned with hundreds of mail in ballots inside .

It took weeks to decide the outcome of the NY Democrat primaries ;and in one of the districts a Federal Judge has ruled that disqualified ballots must be counted . This is from a primary held in June. Again 20% of the ballots were disqualified .

Dramatically inflating the number of ballots cast by mail necessarily increases the likelihood of delays, mistakes, and other irregularities . Don't blame it on the postal system ,as inefficient as it is (don't blame DeJoy or Tump for that .The postal service has been bleeding money away for decades through inefficiencies that Dejoy is trying to correct ) .
The post office is meant to be self-sufficient, but it hasn’t broken even for years. Total losses since 2007 run to $78 billion .Why ? It is a stupid design for the 21st century . The Constitution mandates a postal service . But it doesn't say mail still has to be delivered by mule .
https://insider.si.edu/2016/08/grand...ers-mail-mule/

Congress could could give the USPS more freedom to act like a business: to raise prices if warranted; to close lonely, desolate post offices; to stop Saturday mail—or Wednesday mail if it comes to that. But no .All they know how to do is throw money down rabbit holes .


Millions of ballots will be forced through the postal system that is not designed to handle such an abrupt increase of volume. The entire voting system will be stressed to the breaking point .This is classic Cloward -Piven strategy being employed by the left . The objective of the Cloward-Piven strategy is to stress a system until it breaks, then rebuild a new, more socialists system from the remains . In this case it is the election system the left is attempting to destroy .

Read sec 3 of the 20th amendment

If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.

In that scenario it doesn't even have to be Madam Mim Pelosi .,or Joementia . The Congress could choose whoever they want to be President as long as that person Constitutionally qualifies . I am not fooled by the left's goals ,or the fact that of course they would attempt to put the blame for the coming chaos on Trump . I see right through the game.

[talaniman]

Even if I accept all you say as true, which I don't, we still have the dismantling of mail sorting equipment looming as highly suspicious Tom, and I repeat, even more suspicious is the dufus lack of FIXING whatever challenge to a fair election. I don't think it's very fair to blame dems as up to no good, while condoning repubs long history of voter suppression shenanigans, and we have enough court cases already to back that up.

LOL, it's pretty naive to think the dufus wouldn't try anything he can to steal an election since he has a history of lying, cheating and stealing that goes back further than his presidency, so obviously we need some reforms. safeguards, and oversights to replace our current state of affairs in many areas of our lives in this country.

A change of management is indicated.

[tomder55]

your comments about a fair election are disqualified when you speak of using an unsupervised system like mail in ballots delivered like any other piece of junk mail whether requested or not .

[Athos]

your comments about a fair election are disqualified when you speak of using an unsupervised system like mail in ballots delivered like any other piece of junk mail whether requested or not .

Give it up, tom. Nobody but you is defending Trump's attempts to rig the election in his favor. It's blindingly obvious to all - here and abroad. Time to smell the coffee and get back on the freedom train like the patriot you are.

[talaniman]

your comments about a fair election are disqualified when you speak of using an unsupervised system like mail in ballots delivered like any other piece of junk mail whether requested or not .

Given mail in voting has been used successfully in states for years, it's just a matter of setting up the proper infrastructure, which may be challenging and I see your reluctance to embrace such an upgrade in service as just holding on to the old ideas of doing things which has become a health hazard and object of suppression over the years. Ballots are hardly junk mail, and should be closely scrutinized and supervised for sure and are and have been closely watched successfully where it's done but you have not answered the question of dismantling sorting machines, or removing mailboxes in some locations.

What say you, before I disqualify your own account of the THE facts? Is the dufus undermining the election apparatus or NOT?

[paraclete]

well of course he is, all politicians would do it if they thought they would be advantaged and they could get away with it, but you don't think Trump got this idea himself, this is in the well entrenched political playbook

[tomder55]

Between 2012 and 2018, 28.3 million mail-in ballots remain unaccounted for, according to data from the federal Election Assistance Commission. The missing ballots amount to nearly one in five of all absentee ballots and ballots mailed to voters residing in states that do elections exclusively by mail.
States and local authorities simply have no idea what happened to these ballots since they were mailed – and the figure of 28 million missing ballots is likely even higher because some areas in the country, notably Chicago, did not respond to the federal agency’s survey questions. This figure does not include ballots that were spoiled, undeliverable, or came back for any reason.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/04/24/28_million_mail-in_ballots_went_missing_in_last_four_elections_143 033.html?fbclid=IwAR0tUdb_a1XLMv5p8uApQsJlmVrTE6Yh o_TbcWD8OTFWs41PZlq_WJGqXOs

[Athos]

Between 2012 and 2018, 28.3 million mail-in ballots remain unaccounted for, according to data from the federal Election Assistance Commission.

In the same time period, approximately 250 million voters did not show up to vote. Are they "missing", too? Or did they just decide not to vote? Of the 28.3 mail-ins, how many are due to registration lists not updated? How many represent voters who decided not to vote?

Your logic is skewed to support the attempt to rig the election by Trump.

[talaniman]

I guess the idea of making vote by mail safe, efficient, and transparent never occurs to conservatives. Anything man does has glitches, and challenges and the notion that it's better to NOT do it and keep the status quo is unacceptable given the health crisis and historic manipulation of polling places, draconian voter id laws, and obstacles thrown at citizens to even meet the requirements to vote, and other insidious shenanigans to suppress the vote.

It doesn't take a genius for anyone to see that's the dufus's main goal in slowing down the mail. Fact is the board of governors for the postal service is requesting the 28 billion for operating expenses during this election season crisis, and who else but repubs would burden them with fully funding insurance pensions and health obligations for 75 freaking years in advance? No business/service in world history does that!

They certainly don't degrade and dismantle the technology to make it LESS efficient or SAFE either, so let's get all the facts of this story before we go repeating the dufus lies around this subject. You yourself have said forget his words and judge the actions, so AGAIN, what's that removing sorting machines, and mail boxes all about?

I thinks it's an unveiled voter suppression tactic myself, despite your focus on missing ballots, but that's another thing that I would love to have an answer for before we get into the fraud label.

[tomder55]

how many are due to registration lists not updated

I thought cleaning up registration lists was code for voter repression . The key words in the article is 'unaccounted for ' . Heck of a way to run an election . 20% will swing any election one way or the other .

I guess the idea of making vote by mail safe, efficient, and transparent never occurs to conservatives.

Yeah let's do that . It can't be done in a 3 month period.

[paraclete]

I would think Trump needs those votes