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    Jul 20, 2020, 12:34 PM
    The Brownshirts of 2020
    Trump has sent his hand-picked thugs to Portland to attack and beat law-abiding citizens who are protesting. These 2020 Brownshirts take no prisoners, ask no questions, and never negotiate. Right from the Nazi 1930s handbook of those Brownshirts. They wear no identifying marks - just batons, pepper spray, and brutality.

    Trump acts exactly like the 20th century dictators did with the exception that he lacks the absolute power of those evil men. How he wishes he could run this country without interference and especially without a free press.

    Being asked, he could not say if he will accept the results of the coming election. When he loses the election in November, he is prepping the country for his refusal to abide by his loss. November 4 to January 20 will be the most critical time in the history of this Republic.
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    Jul 20, 2020, 12:45 PM
    The Brownshirts were even pulling aside and bludgeoning and arresting uninvolved law-abiding citizens who were merely walking on the sidewalks. Now Trump wants to send them to Chicago. Lori, be ready!
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    Jul 20, 2020, 04:11 PM
    What do we expect from the guy who is is shmoozing Vlad and loves a Korean nutcase with nukes?
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    Jul 20, 2020, 06:35 PM
    why does this surprise you, this is an old tactic used many times
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    Jul 21, 2020, 05:35 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    why does this surprise you, this is an old tactic used many times
    In dictatorships and by tyrants.
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    Jul 21, 2020, 06:36 AM
    of course, when the police force fails.......
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    Jul 21, 2020, 07:19 PM
    The black shirts in Portland are attacking a Federal Building and Federal personnel .I wouldn't be so kind to them . But I have to give them credit . At least they are wearing masks when rioting .

    So was Lincoln justified in sending Federal Troops to defend Federal Property in Charleston ? Indeed he was . And Trump is justified in sending Federal officers to defend Federal property from marauders and anarchists in Portland while local officials encourage it.

    You guys crack me up . No complaints when Federal Troops went to local cities to enforce integration . I am pretty sure local governors and mayors did not invite them . Back then that was the right thing to do .Look it up Selma and Little Rock ,protecting the Freedom Riders .

    No complaints when Bubba sent Federal Troops to kidnap Elian Gonzales .

    No complaints when Federal Troops attacked the Branch Davidian compound and burned it to the ground. Killing 76 including 20 children .
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    Jul 21, 2020, 07:22 PM
    so your therom is do away with local enforcement, given their behavior this would seem a solution, one authority over the actions of police, this would make the President truly accountable
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    Jul 22, 2020, 12:27 PM
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    So was Lincoln justified in sending Federal Troops to defend Federal Property in Charleston ?
    Of course, he was. He was responding to an act of war.

    And Trump is justified in sending Federal officers to defend Federal property from marauders and anarchists in Portland while local officials encourage it.
    Apples and pomegranates. The Feds were specifically asked NOT to send troops to Portland. If they had been asked, their defense of federal property would have been justified. However, the Fed thugs did much more than legally permissible - they detained innocent bystanders, placed (kidnapped?) them into unmarked vans, and refused to answer any questions re their behavior - i.e., why? what are the charges? these questions were met with total silence. Gestapo tactics.

    No complaints when Federal Troops went to local cities to enforce integration.
    That was a clear-cut case of enforcing legitimate law - NOT detaining innocent citizens.

    No complaints when Bubba sent Federal Troops to kidnap Elian Gonzales.
    Federal troops were enforcing a court decision to return the boy to his father. The Supreme Court, by denying review, did not object to the lower court's decision. Hardly a valid comparison to Portland.

    No complaints when Federal Troops attacked the Branch Davidian compound and burned it to the ground. Killing 76 including 20 children .
    Huh? There were TONS of complaints. The Feds were wrong in what they did.

    Eyewitnesses in Portland said the Fed thugs instigated trouble such as when the videos went viral showing them acting illegally.
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    Jul 24, 2020, 01:32 PM
    If sending in federal troop was so legit, then why aren't they identifiable as federal troops? Why do we have to guess at whose authority is doing the federal stuff? Another example of dufus bullying incompetence and escalating a problem and not solving it.
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    Jul 24, 2020, 04:48 PM
    It is what he does, don't know no different
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    Jul 24, 2020, 07:12 PM
    I really can see getting looters, arsonists, and criminals, but what does that have to do with peaceful protests? The constitution guarantees free speech, right of assembly, and yes peaceful protests. Using criminals as an excuse to tear gas protestors is just plain wrong and devious. Despite the Tomder's comparisons upholding a court order is very different from arbitrary actions.
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    Jul 26, 2020, 07:13 AM
    Here was last night's action in Portland according to DHS ..

    Around dusk the crowd started to gather. It quickly grew to over 2,000 individuals and spilled into the two city parks adjacent to the Federal Center and Justice Center.
    Around 10:30 p.m. local time, rioters started to launch mortar-style fireworks over the fence at the federal courthouse and officers.
    Rioters also started to attack the fence surrounding the courthouse. In response, federal officers warned the perpetrators to stop their attempts to damage federal property. Instead, rioters threw garbage and other objects over the fence in response. Reports indicated that ball bearings were also being shot against the fence and at the officers inside the perimeter.
    Consistent with tactics employed in previous nights, rioters attacked federal officers’ eyes with lasers – which can cause permanent blindness.
    Around 10:30 p.m. local time, rioters attempted to push over the fence while rioters also started to throw flaming objects over it. Mortar-style fireworks continued to be launched at federal property and officers as well.
    At around 11:15 p.m. local time, DHS officers continued to urge those present from attempting to damage or breach the fence.
    At 11:45 p.m. local time, DHS officers moved out to defend the fence from rioters and were immediately attacked with lasers. Rioters continued to throw rocks and commercial grade fireworks. They also began to launch a caustic substance resembling paint at officers inside the perimeter of the fence.
    Throughout this time, DHS officers continued to repeatedly warn the crowd against attacking the fence or entering federal property. Firework mortars continued to be launched by the violent anarchists with one exploding in the entryway of the federal courthouse.
    At 12:01 a.m. local time, the doors of the Edith Green Federal building were vandalized.
    At 12:30 a.m. local time. Portland Police (PPB) declared an unlawful and riotous assembly. Both PPB and Federal law enforcement began to make warnings about the riot declaration.
    During the 1 am hour, multiple Molotov cocktails were thrown over the fence at the courthouse as rioters continued to attack officers with mortar-style fireworks and lasers.
    Around this time, a fire also started inside the fence and rioters made two more separate attempts to tear down the fence while conducting heavy laser attacks against federal officers.
    During the evening’s violence one CBP officer suffered a chemical burn resulting from a caustic substance thrown by rioters, another suffered a possible broken toe, one suffered a severe blow to his face from a hard object. FPS reported nine new injuries to officers as well.
    9 total arrests were conducted by DHS officers.
    What is happening in Portland is very similar to the Charleston SC Fort Sumter attack . Local officials are on the side of the violent protesters . Lincoln sent supplies to the besieged Federal building . But you guys are twisting it around to make it sound that Trump is provoking the attacks on Federal Buildings and property .Just like the rebels accused Lincoln of provoking the Civil War by sending aid to the fort . There is no cannon being directed at the court house. But there are weapons that can hurt the Federal officers and destroy the building . Lasers ,and mortar fireworks ,and arson and rocks are the weapons of these "rebels " . Lincoln was also called a dictator for defending Federal property and I'm sure Federal troops were called whatever the equivalent of the 'Brown Shirts " was used then (maybe Lincoln's Praetorian guard ?) The defense of a Federal Installation is twisted into being tyranny . The DHS agents all were wearing insigne and their names on their uniforms . This trope that they are unidentified is a lie . Even if they were ;unmarked cars and plain cloths officers is SOP in law enforcement .
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    Jul 26, 2020, 08:10 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Here was last night's action in Portland according to DHS ..


    What is happening in Portland is very similar to the Charleston SC Fort Sumter attack . Local officials are on the side of the violent protesters . Lincoln sent supplies to the besieged Federal building . But you guys are twisting it around to make it sound that Trump is provoking the attacks on Federal Buildings and property .Just like the rebels accused Lincoln of provoking the Civil War by sending aid to the fort . There is no cannon being directed at the court house. But there are weapons that can hurt the Federal officers and destroy the building . Lasers ,and mortar fireworks ,and arson and rocks are the weapons of these "rebels " . Lincoln was also called a dictator for defending Federal property and I'm sure Federal troops were called whatever the equivalent of the 'Brown Shirts " was used then (maybe Lincoln's Praetorian guard ?) The defense of a Federal Installation is twisted into being tyranny . The DHS agents all were wearing insigne and their names on their uniforms . This trope that they are unidentified is a lie . Even if they were ;unmarked cars and plain cloths officers is SOP in law enforcement .
    what the hell does Portland have to do with abolitionism? Portland is a protest gone wrong and taken to the extreme, does the word black mean the ghosts of the ancient insurrections must be envoked
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    Jul 27, 2020, 04:43 AM
    As far as Portland is concerned, the right loves to combine violent with protestors, and defend the head knockers the dufus sent into this majority white city, to squelch peaceful protestors, and ignore the fact the violence has been escalated by them, and adds fuel to even more protesting now entering it's 2nd straight month. Yeah I would say something has gone wrong after the dufus sent his rights repressive goons in, supposedly to protect federal buildings.
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    Jul 27, 2020, 06:42 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    As far as Portland is concerned, the right loves to combine violent with protestors, and defend the head knockers the dufus sent into this majority white city, to squelch peaceful protestors, and ignore the fact the violence has been escalated by them, and adds fuel to even more protesting now entering it's 2nd straight month. Yeah I would say something has gone wrong after the dufus sent his rights repressive goons in, supposedly to protect federal buildings.
    Yup, the goons' violence will encourage violence in return. That's why we don't hit our children.
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    Jul 27, 2020, 07:57 AM
    you have it backwards . The left consistently adds violence to their peaceful protests and then blames the authorities for provoking it . IT is the Antifa black shirts who are attacking a Federal Court attempting to burn it down . It is the left that is trying to topple statues on Federal property . It is the left that goes out of it's way to prevent Federal law enforcement from doing their legitimate job . It is mayor Beetlejuce in Chi town who shamefully wants to keep Federal DEA ,and FBI and ATF from doing their jobs to prevent the city from being completely over run by drug gangs shooting at each other and killing Black children in the cross fire . The goon violence is from the left .


    what the hell does Portland have to do with abolitionism? Portland is a protest gone wrong and taken to the extreme, does the word black mean the ghosts of the ancient insurrections must be envoked
    Clete try to keep up . The fact that local officials are supporting the mobs that attack Federal buildings and Federal officers makes what is happening there an insurrection well beyond what can be defined as a protest . It should be put down accordingly . Capisci ?
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    Jul 27, 2020, 08:43 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    you have it backwards . The left consistently adds violence to their peaceful protests and then blames the authorities for provoking it . IT is the Antifa black shirts who are attacking a Federal Court attempting to burn it down . It is the left that is trying to topple statues on Federal property . It is the left that goes out of it's way to prevent Federal law enforcement from doing their legitimate job . It is mayor Beetlejuce in Chi town who shamefully wants to keep Federal DEA ,and FBI and ATF from doing their jobs to prevent the city from being completely over run by drug gangs shooting at each other and killing Black children in the cross fire . The goon violence is from the left .
    The goon violence is from the left and RIGHT loony fringes. As to preventing legit and traditional feds from doing their jobs preventing crimes, nobody is doing that, and even the Chicago mayor has welcomed that traditional fed help. Its the incompetent street goons from the feds we don't want from the dufus What you fell for that law and order spin from the liar and chief? Many conservatives aren't nipping at that snake oil, so why are you? When did you join the right wing loony fringe?

    Clete try to keep up . The fact that local officials are supporting the mobs that attack Federal buildings and Federal officers makes what is happening there an insurrection well beyond what can be defined as a protest . It should be put down accordingly . Capisci ?
    Stop confusing chaos making criminals with peaceful protesters that the dufus goon squad is tear gassing, and looking stupid failing to stop those criminals.

    Gassing everybody ain't the solution. Willful incompetence by the dufus.
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    Jul 27, 2020, 09:01 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    It is mayor Beetlejuce in Chi town who shamefully wants to keep Federal DEA ,and FBI and ATF from doing their jobs to prevent the city from being completely over run by drug gangs shooting at each other and killing Black children in the cross fire . The goon violence is from the left .
    And beating up the peaceful (and non-peaceful) protesters will solve the problem?

    P.S. The Chicago mayor's name is Lori Lightfoot.
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    Jul 27, 2020, 01:31 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post



    Clete try to keep up . The fact that local officials are supporting the mobs that attack Federal buildings and Federal officers makes what is happening there an insurrection well beyond what can be defined as a protest . It should be put down accordingly . Capisci ?

    I do try to keep up as you suggest Tom but why does it have to be put down in a violent manner?

    P.S. The Chicago mayor's name is Lori Lightfoot.
    WG is that some sort of veiled reference to race

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