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    Jul 11, 2020, 08:10 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    What is so great about 20th and 21st century thinking ? Millions dead by totalitarians and millions more by progressive thinking that doesn t value human life .Now we have Maoist and Trotskyites marauding in the streets trying like Taliban and ISIS to destroy our history and their intellectual movement to destroy independent thought . You can have it .
    What makes you think it was different in the eighteenth century, they had great wars, numbers only limited by population, and millions subjected and enslaved. We have progressed in one thing, slavery is no longer in favour, but the disrespect for human life remains. the elite still rule and crush, it is time those values so highly prized changes to something more benign and encompassing. The Taliban and ISIS are a fundamentalist backlash against the tyranny of the elites so typified by that eighteenth century though you value so highly
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    Jul 12, 2020, 03:44 AM
    The 18th century gave us the age of enlightenment .Of that was born the greatest experiment in self rule ,the United States . That is what the ANTIFAs of the planet are trying to destroy ,reason and debate in favor of Orwellian group think .
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    Jul 12, 2020, 04:51 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    The 18th century gave us the age of enlightenment .Of that was born the greatest experiment in self rule ,the United States . That is what the ANTIFAs of the planet are trying to destroy ,reason and debate in favor of Orwellian group think .
    Enlightenment? Or the Devil in disguise?



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    Jul 12, 2020, 06:02 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    The 18th century gave us the age of enlightenment .Of that was born the greatest experiment in self rule ,the United States . That is what the ANTIFAs of the planet are trying to destroy ,reason and debate in favor of Orwellian group think .
    You don't need them to destroy it, you are doing it yourselves
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    Jul 12, 2020, 07:46 AM
    The great American experiment has hit a great stone wall for the moment. It happens in most societies.
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    Jul 12, 2020, 02:43 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    The great American experiment has hit a great stone wall for the moment. It happens in most societies.

    Yes it seems empires and civilisations have a finite life
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    Jul 13, 2020, 04:38 AM
    Some for thousands of years.
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    Jul 13, 2020, 07:07 AM
    Not really
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    #29

    Jul 13, 2020, 10:58 AM
    Sure really. The thing is will your country, or mine last that long? Everybody around us has.
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    Jul 13, 2020, 04:21 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Sure really. The thing is will your country, or mine last that long? Everybody around us has.
    My country has been inhabited for 60,000 years so it can be done without civilisation and empire
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    Jul 13, 2020, 05:09 PM
    And you guys came along and screwed it up for the natives while making it for your own purpose. America may be as old as 90,000 years or more, just to one up you.
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    Jul 13, 2020, 05:15 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    And you guys came along and screwed it up for the natives while making it for your own purpose. America may be as old as 90,000 years or more, just to one up you.
    Nah your indigenous came across the land bridge after the last ice age. let's face it none of us know how long humans have inhabited this world but we do know large tracts were uninhabitable for eons. Primitive societies existed. Don't talk about us screwing it up for the natives without including yourself in that. Your intrusion into that continent was just as much a disaster as ours was here
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    Jul 13, 2020, 05:22 PM
    I can agree with that. I just thought you were being a bit snotty is all.
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    Jul 13, 2020, 07:36 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    I can agree with that. I just thought you were being a bit snotty is all.
    we didn't conduct wars with the indigenous inhabitants, no need for that, many died of disease and there weren't that many anyway. their culture was based on sharing so they had no concept of land ownership, that is a concept they acquired from us. conflict centred around taking of domestic livestock
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    Jul 14, 2020, 04:35 AM
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    we didn't conduct wars with the indigenous inhabitants, no need for that, many died of disease and there weren't that many anyway.
    They were no threat, but helpless as any indigenous people to diseases brought by invaders. They couldn't stop you from coming anymore than our indigenous could stop the Euros.

    their culture was based on sharing so they had no concept of land ownership, that is a concept they acquired from us. conflict centred around taking of domestic livestock
    Dress it up but same thing as I said before, you came over and took over like we did. Less bloody but same results. We did have more Natives to contend with and they did try to fight the Euros off.
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    Jul 14, 2020, 05:53 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    They were no threat, but helpless as any indigenous people to diseases brought by invaders. They couldn't stop you from coming anymore than our indigenous could stop the Euros.


    Dress it up but same thing as I said before, you came over and took over like we did. Less bloody but same results. We did have more Natives to contend with and they did try to fight the Euros off.
    Yes ours did fight too, in pockets, but they were few, just family groups really and they didn't realise the threat, didn't understand the British would just keep coming, just as they did in the americas. Your legacy and ours has the same rootes, but the two nations have a very different ethos
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    Jul 14, 2020, 06:42 AM
    Of course we have a different ethos because you are much more white Euro dominated and we are becoming less. DUH!
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    Jul 14, 2020, 03:21 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Of course we have a different ethos because you are much more white Euro dominated and we are becoming less. DUH!
    We are the most diverse population on Earth, as the song line says "from all the lands on earth we come" and that is represented among our politicians but we haven't gone down the road of rabid capitalism as you have

    The difference is most of us came here by our own free will, none of us were stolen away and forced to labour under the lash
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    Jul 14, 2020, 03:37 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    The difference is most of us came here by our own free will, none of us were stolen away and forced to labour under the lash
    What about the British and Irish convicts who were taken to Australia?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convicts_in_Australia
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    Jul 14, 2020, 03:37 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    We are the most diverse population on Earth, as the song line says "from all the lands on earth we come" and that is represented among our politicians but we haven't gone down the road of rabid capitalism as you have

    The difference is most of us came here by our own free will, none of us were stolen away and forced to labour under the lash
    I see you have your own homebrewed snake oil of which you have generously partaken of Clete. That's cool.

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