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Athos · Jun 20, 2020, 07:15 PM

AG Barr - "SDNY Attorney Berman has resigned".

SDNY Attorney Berman - "No, I didn't!"

AG Barr - "Don't make this a public spectacle. I told Trump to fire you. Trump fired you! You're fired!"

Trump - "I didn't fire Berman" "That's Barr's job!" "I don't know anything about it"!

STUNNING! ABSURD! BEYOND RIDICULOUS! THE TOP LEVEL OF THE US GOVERNMENT ACTING IDIOTICALLY!

SDNY attorney Berman had been investigating corruption among the Trump/Barr/Giuliani cabal.

Meanwhile, back in Tulsa --- Trump rages as the crowd is less than expected. The overflow venue has such a sparse attendance, both Trump and Pence cancel their appearances there.

The "millions" trying to get tickets is exposed as another Trump falsehood.

THE CROWD ---

paraclete · Jun 20, 2020, 08:34 PM

what is absurd about something that has become normal, trump needs a new slogan; make america normal again

talaniman · Jun 20, 2020, 09:09 PM

Berman did resign, replaced by the #2 person at SDNY.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/geoffre...iam-barr-says/

On Saturday, Berman said he would leave after Barr's decision to "respect the normal operation of law" by making his deputy, Audrey Strauss, the acting U.S. attorney. Barr had initially said Mr. Trump had appointed Craig Carpenito, currently the U.S. attorney for the District of New Jersey, to fill in, and that he planned to nominate Securities and Exchange Commissioner Jay Clayton for the role.

Amusing how Barr accused Berman of making this a public spectacle while he made this a public spectacle from the beginning with a late Friday press release. More Dufus antics, both embarrassing and incompetent and rather sloppy.

tomder55 · Jun 21, 2020, 01:23 AM

Berman resigned after Barr appointed his deputy That was not the plan Friday .

The "millions" trying to get tickets is exposed as another Trump falsehood.

I don't think it was a falsehood . AOC and others were tweeting yesterday that he got trolled by Tik tok users who were making fake ticket requests . Funny if true . Evidently this was the idea of Mary Jo Laupp, who worked on Buttigieg’s campaign,

https://twitter.com/mrjoshz/status/1274479644083978240

https://twitter.com/SteveSchmidtSES/...rally%2F258520

Athos · Jun 21, 2020, 01:25 AM

Originally Posted by talaniman

Berman did resign, replaced by the #2 person at SDNY.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/geoffre...iam-barr-says/

Amusing how Barr accused Berman of making this a public spectacle while he made this a public spectacle from the beginning with a late Friday press release. More Dufus antics, both embarrassing and incompetent and rather sloppy.

Breaking news came in after my post. Never a dull moment with this dopey crowd.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1274486203153289221

tomder55 · Jun 21, 2020, 02:05 AM

here is a pix of Biden's recent campaign event .
https://www.inquirer.com/news/corona...-20200617.html

talaniman · Jun 21, 2020, 05:57 AM

tomder55 · Jun 21, 2020, 09:44 AM

Amusing how Barr accused Berman of making this a public spectacle while he made this a public spectacle from the beginning with a late Friday press release. More Dufus antics, both embarrassing and incompetent and rather sloppy.

Berman simply did not understand the law he was quoting or intentionally misinterpreted it .

If an appointment expires under subsection (c)(2), the district court for such district may appoint a United States attorney to serve until the vacancy is filled. The order of appointment by the court shall be filed with the clerk of the court.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/28/546

It does not say until a presidentially appointed nominee is confirmed by the Senate. It says an interim appointee gets to stay “until the vacancy is filled.” Berman himself was an unconfirmed appointee before he was court appointed .Vacancies are filled all the time as interim and acting.
And the statute itself may very well be unconstitutional . The Constitution makes the president the chief executive and the only government official empowered to appoint federal officers, who must be Senate confirmed. The courts have no authority to compel the President to accept a court appointed executive officer .(Meyer v United States 1926) . Once he was fired he was out and Berman was also wrong to suggest that Barr cannot act on Trump's behalf. Barr was in fact letting Berman off easy be announcing his resignation. Berman pressed the issue .So now he is fired .It was his games that caused the confusion and the "public spectacle " ;which was the intention of his whole charade in the 1st place. Barr did not want Berman fired . He offered him Chief of the Civil Division at Main Justice. Berman turned it down . Fine I get that . Being US Attn for NY Southern District is a big deal .It propels ambitious prosecutors to bigger things .If Barr wanted him out he would not have offered him a posting in DC where they would be working close together .

And let's put it this way ;the SDNY is never going to bullied by decisions in Washington no matter who is the head of the division. It is staffed with excellent attorneys who's job prospects if they were ever forced out for any reason are excellent .No one is going to tell them who or what can and can't be investigated . Cohen was charged out of that office .No one stopped the SDNY from charging Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, business associates of Giuliani. That investigation continues even as Rudy claims that he has never been contacted by prosecutors in the case . No one has accused Trump of interfering in any of their investigations And you know the second he tried it would go public with great fanfare .
So let the toad Nadler do his hearing thingy .They can add all this to their impeachment attempt round 2 .

talaniman · Jun 21, 2020, 09:55 AM

We know for sure Barr cannot hire and fire, so what was the big deal in him carrying the dufus water? What was Barr's beef with Berman in the first place? Why was the dufus so hands off and still lay it at Barr's feet? You have some nice spin Tom, but no answers to the basic question of what was this about in the first place?

Athos · Jun 21, 2020, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by talaniman

What was Barr's beef with Berman in the first place? Why was the dufus so hands off and still lay it at Barr's feet? You have some nice spin Tom, but no answers to the basic question of what was this about in the first place?

That's the heart of the matter from which the Trumpists are doing their usual deflection.

tomder55 · Jun 21, 2020, 10:23 AM

What types of questions are those ? I'm guessing you are thinking like the toad ;that there is some obstruction going on . That is ridiculous . As I said ,no change at the top is going to stop SDNY from investigation who and what they please . The investigations will proceed just as they did when Preet Bharara was replaced by Berman

Athos · Jun 21, 2020, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by tomder55

The investigations will proceed just as they did when Preet Bharara was replaced by Berman

Berman may have been getting closer to areas Trump/Barr are uncomfortable with. "Proceeding" may just be a delaying tactic. Will conclusions ever be reached?

talaniman · Jun 21, 2020, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by tomder55

What types of questions are those ? I'm guessing you are thinking like the toad ;that there is some obstruction going on . That is ridiculous . As I said ,no change at the top is going to stop SDNY from investigation who and what they please . The investigations will proceed just as they did when Preet Bharara was replaced by Berman

So what's the point of replacing Berman in the first place except for Barr to be able to run and control things as he did at the DC office, and the DOJ, and protect the dufus?

tomder55 · Jun 21, 2020, 01:30 PM

got me why did the emperor fire 93 district attorneys ? Because he wanted his people to populate the post . They could've gotten rid of him without appointing Audrey Strauss to replace him . Barr wanted Craig Carpenito, as the temporary replacement. So replacing him with Strauss was quite a generous concession. I would've fired him and given him a hour to get out or I would've sent in Federal Marshalls to escort him out . His showboat power play was all theatrics .

talaniman · Jun 21, 2020, 02:23 PM

Well I suppose out showboating the dufus and Barr could be reason enough to get fired, but I doubt anyone outside NY would know that, but a hearing can't hurt anything can it? We know the right wing noise machine will spin itself dizzy, so CSpan will certainly give us a chance to see it for ourselves.

That's the way I like it. Heck anything the dufus says and does should be verified. Throw bully Bolton in that mix too!

tomder55 · Jun 21, 2020, 03:20 PM

they have to get someone besides to toad to chair these hearings .

talaniman · Jun 21, 2020, 04:01 PM

paraclete · Jun 21, 2020, 08:34 PM

You know Trump said something very significant, he said less testing means less cases, apply the same thinking to China and it means do nothing and they will back off, same thinking applied to Russia. In other words, all problems can be solved by sitting back and watching. It worked in Syria, the problem has gone away by ignoring it and in Trumps mind the virus will just vanish if ignored. i wonder if we ignore him, will he go away?

In his own words; "don't you understand, you dumb SOB, don't you understand" I would say NO! he doesn't understand

talaniman · Jun 22, 2020, 04:11 AM

He said he was joking, and his sycophants said it was a tongue -n-cheek comment at his rally, but he has said it before, often enough to not be taken as a joke but a con game to further his self interest which is get re elected. No Clete I don't think he goes away by ignoring him. We can VOTE him and his sycophants out. Then we can make America better.

paraclete · Jun 22, 2020, 05:43 AM

Joking? HA, Ha, Ha, Ha the man is one big joke