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    #141

    Jun 30, 2020, 04:15 PM
    Totally agree WG, that's about where I stand too. I deleted the totally hilarious response I had written after reading your post.
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    #142

    Jun 30, 2020, 04:19 PM
    Tal, just keep your fantasies going. I think you and Athos would make a good combo. You could talk about your rear end fantasies until late into the night. You sure have a love of it. You talk about men's rear ends endlessly.

    I would not choose abortion unless my OB had an excellent medical reason to have one done.
    Why not?
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    #143

    Jun 30, 2020, 04:21 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Tal, just keep your fantasies going. I think you and Athos would make a good combo. You could talk about your rear end fantasies until late into the night. You sure have a love of it. You talk about men's rear ends endlessly.

    Why not?
    You read my post before I deleted it and wrote the above.
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    #144

    Jun 30, 2020, 04:28 PM
    Yeah, but you still wrote it. Go see a shrink and get some help. You need it. Maybe he/she could see the two of you together. It really is a sickening obsession.
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    #145

    Jun 30, 2020, 04:31 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Yeah, but you still wrote it. Go see a shrink and get some help. You need it. Maybe he/she could see the two of you together.
    While I'm at the shrink, can you answer the questions I asked?

    1. Should women who have abortions be charged with murder?

    2. Do you support funding into research how to save the lives of zygotes? If not, why not? They are unborn children, are they not?
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    #146

    Jun 30, 2020, 04:33 PM
    You want to keep the snark going or respond to WG and my attempt at honest discussion? Makes me no difference.
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    #147

    Jun 30, 2020, 04:42 PM
    WG: I would not choose abortion unless my OB had an excellent medical reason to have one done.
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Why not?
    A disabled child would not have had a negative impact on my life. Financial instability has never been a problem in my marriage. My relationships have always been free of physical and mental abuse. I have never been a single mother, especially one with few or no financial resources.
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    #148

    Jun 30, 2020, 04:49 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    It really is a sickening obsession.
    Geez louise! They paraphrased/reworded your fascination with 45. Get a grip!
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    #149

    Jun 30, 2020, 05:51 PM
    You want to keep the snark going
    If you don't like the snark, then don't start it. It's not my sickening obsession.

    A disabled child would not have had a negative impact on my life. Financial instability has never been a problem in my marriage. My relationships have always been free of physical and mental abuse. I have never been a single mother, especially one with few or no financial resources.
    If you had not had the financial resources, and if a disabled child would have had a negative impact, would you have had an abortion?
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    #150

    Jun 30, 2020, 05:58 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    If you had not had the financial resources, and if a disabled child would have had a negative impact, would you have had an abortion?
    If Biden knocked on your front door, would you open it and shake his outstretched hand?
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    #151

    Jun 30, 2020, 06:09 PM
    Well, so much for the honest discussion. But since you insist on suddenly changing the subject (wonder why?), I'll answer your question. Yes.
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    #152

    Jun 30, 2020, 06:29 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Well, so much for the honest discussion. But since you insist on suddenly changing the subject (wonder why?), I'll answer your question. Yes.
    You asked me questions that are impossible to answer. I haven't been nor will I ever be in either of those situations. And no, I didn't change the subject. I threw a similarly impossible-to-answer question back at you to stress that answers are not always simply "pick one: yes or no".
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    #153

    Jun 30, 2020, 06:51 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    If Biden knocked on your front door, would you open it and shake his outstretched hand?
    No he's not covid safe
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    #154

    Jun 30, 2020, 07:17 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    No he's not covid safe
    Biden is. Am guessing JL isn't.
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    #155

    Jun 30, 2020, 07:25 PM
    You asked me questions that are impossible to answer. I haven't been nor will I ever be in either of those situations. And no, I didn't change the subject. I threw a similarly impossible-to-answer question back at you to stress that answers are not always simply "pick one: yes or no".
    They're known as hypothetical questions. They are asked and answered all the time and are very useful in probing issues. And of course you changed the subject. This is why I don't like discussing anything with you. You are so fearful and evasive that we can never get anywhere. As soon as you sense some danger to your position in a question then you start dodging and weaving and get as far away from honest discussion as I can imagine. I'm done with it for now as we never will get anywhere for those very reasons.
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    #156

    Jun 30, 2020, 07:38 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    They're known as hypothetical questions. They are asked and answered all the time and are very useful in probing issues. And of course you changed the subject. This is why I don't like discussing anything with you. You are so fearful and evasive that we can never get anywhere. As soon as you sense some danger to your position in a question then you start dodging and weaving and get as far away from honest discussion as I can imagine. I'm done with it for now as we never will get anywhere for those very reasons.
    You change the subject all the time!!! And I have absolutely no idea what I would do if I were under the pressures you mentioned. I am NOT fearful and evasive. I've always made it a point NOT to be in a bad place in my life.
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    #157

    Jun 30, 2020, 08:00 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    They're known as hypothetical questions. They are asked and answered all the time and are very useful in probing issues. And of course you changed the subject. This is why I don't like discussing anything with you. You are so fearful and evasive that we can never get anywhere. As soon as you sense some danger to your position in a question then you start dodging and weaving and get as far away from honest discussion as I can imagine. I'm done with it for now as we never will get anywhere for those very reasons.
    No I think it's the personal attacks that makes people wary, and then the way you turn the blame on them that is the real turn off. Case in point YOU changed the subject to your peeve all the time and blast anyone who disagrees with your position, yet blame the poster?

    You seem obsessed to be right and relentless to prove it. Personally I don't care because it's just you being you, and it matters little if the trash talk gets escalated or not. Others not so much. I rather like it when you start dodging and weaving looking for an answer you ain't got myself. You do it to everybody else but hate it when it's done to you, so maybe take your tired a$$ to bed because that's what cranky kids are supposed to do.
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    #158

    Jun 30, 2020, 08:33 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    They're known as hypothetical questions. They are asked and answered all the time and are very useful in probing issues.
    Here are two hypotheticals you are avoiding. I trust you find them useful in probing issues.

    1. Should women who have abortions be charged with murder?

    2. Do you support funding into research how to save the lives of zygotes? If not, why not? They are unborn children, are they not?
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    #159

    Jul 1, 2020, 06:16 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Athos View Post
    Here are two hypotheticals you are avoiding. I trust you find them useful in probing issues.

    1. Should women who have abortions be charged with murder?
    No the Doctor should be charged with murder and woman as accessory

    2. Do you support funding into research how to save the lives of zygotes? If not, why not? They are unborn children, are they not?
    all research into early childhoos should be funded
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    #160

    Jul 1, 2020, 10:51 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    No the Doctor should be charged with murder and woman as accessory
    Abortions are legal with certain restrictions, so where is the violation of law?

    all research into early childhoos should be funded
    The controversy is when is life begun. Some say at conception, some say at birth, but what has always been missing is the funding for kids as they develop from that zygote and enter into the real world. I think that's what you have eluded to and I would agree with that.

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