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paraclete · Jul 11, 2020, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by talaniman

Now I understand you and the dufus. Let everybody catch a dose and the herd immunity can be achieved. The numbers will be VERY ugly though. I doubt if sacrificing that any people for something that may not happen will be a good outcome, so the pain of that business as usual approach may not go over so well.

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Look this is the great culling, the planet is fighting back against the most virilent virus, humans

https://www.news.com.au/world/corona...fed2a3ee51be76

tomder55 · Jul 12, 2020, 03:35 AM

It's here to stay and will mutate, as it has been doing already. Welcome to the new normal.

what do you define as the new normal? Locking people up in their own homes in perpetuity ? AIDS is a virus that never went away . Treatments were created and risk groups identified . The workplace has already adapted to make it as safe as we can get it . Time for America to get back to work .

Now I understand you and the dufus. Let everybody catch a dose and the herd immunity can be achieved. The numbers will be VERY ugly though. I doubt if sacrificing that any people for something that may not happen will be a good outcome, so the pain of that business as usual approach may not go over so well.

see above ..
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...-first-thought

https://www.wcnc.com/article/news/he...5-123459f0082b
0.4% and I think it is lower by half .

Originally Posted by Athos

What are the effective treatments?
New effective treatments are coming on the market every day .

Athos · Jul 12, 2020, 04:13 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

what do you define as the new normal? Locking people up in their own homes in perpetuity? ?

No, no one has suggested that. Use caution - social distance, masks, hygiene, stay at home when possible.

New effective treatments are coming on the market every day .

That is NOT true! SOME treatments are SOMETIMES effective. The jury is still out - way out - on a universal treatment that works for the great majority.

tomder55 · Jul 12, 2020, 04:46 AM

I did not say universal treatment . That may never be achieved . What I would like to see is a greater emphasis in the country on prevention . Besides the guidelines you brought up (which are already in place for those who would pay attention to them),there should also be more education on how people can build up their immune systems .

Athos · Jul 12, 2020, 04:55 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

I did not say universal treatment .

Ok, quibble - how about just treatment for most people, majority.

What I would like to see is a greater emphasis in the country on prevention . Besides the guidelines you brought up (which are already in place for those who would pay attention to them),there should also be more education on how people can build up their immune systems .

Nobody would disagree with that.

talaniman · Jul 12, 2020, 08:24 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

what do you define as the new normal? Locking people up in their own homes in perpetuity ? AIDS is a virus that never went away . Treatments were created and risk groups identified . The workplace has already adapted to make it as safe as we can get it . Time for America to get back to work .

see above ..
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...-first-thought

https://www.wcnc.com/article/news/he...5-123459f0082b
0.4% and I think it is lower by half .

Originally Posted by Athos

What are the effective treatments?
New effective treatments are coming on the market every day .

I will allow that your data links are from the end of May, so any updates would be appreciated since there is a huge spike in June and July.

There is no new normal yet Tom, just a mad scramble to keep up. We learn more every week, but a long way from even say w know enough. You may as well start giving kindergarteners a PHD for getting potty trained.

paraclete · Jul 12, 2020, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by Athos

Ok, quibble - how about just treatment for most people, majority.

Nobody would disagree with that.

Yes let us have another game of quibble, gooody, you serve

talaniman · Jul 13, 2020, 04:22 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

I did not say universal treatment . That may never be achieved . What I would like to see is a greater emphasis in the country on prevention . Besides the guidelines you brought up (which are already in place for those who would pay attention to them),there should also be more education on how people can build up their immune systems .

Prevention means ceasing spreader activity such as all unnecessary human activity, and focusing on the essentials like NY did, and is still doing, and having a great testing infrastructure while we do all that other stuff you mentioned.

paraclete · Jul 13, 2020, 07:09 AM

Now you've got it

talaniman · Jul 13, 2020, 10:56 AM

Does me no good, unless the rest of us here get it too.

paraclete · Jul 13, 2020, 04:23 PM

for that you need leadership, but not a leader in sight

talaniman · Jul 13, 2020, 05:03 PM

There is an election in sight though...WHEW!

paraclete · Jul 13, 2020, 05:08 PM

a forelorn hope with no leader in sight

talaniman · Jul 13, 2020, 05:11 PM

Anybody will be an improvement even Bozo the clown, over the dufus but regardless we'll manage. That pisses you off doesn't it?

Wondergirl · Jul 13, 2020, 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by talaniman

Anybody will be an improvement even Bozo the clown, over the dufus but regardless we'll manage. That pisses you off doesn't it?

And I suspect Biden's choice of running mate will be supremely important in his being elected.

paraclete · Jul 13, 2020, 05:17 PM

No I wish you well in the endeavour to find a new leader or even any leader but let's face it the choice is between two old men. Doubt there is much gas left in the tank

talaniman · Jul 13, 2020, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

And I suspect Biden's choice of running mate will be supremely important in his being elected.

I tend to agree.

Originally Posted by paraclete

No I wish you well in the endeavour to find a new leader or even any leader but let's face it the choice is between two old men. Doubt there is much gas left in the tank

Never sell an old coot short.

paraclete · Jul 13, 2020, 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by talaniman

I tend to agree.

Never sell an old coot short.

I'm an old coot and I know what it feels like

talaniman · Jul 14, 2020, 04:20 AM

Everybody is destined to be an old coot someday, if they live long enough. Wish I had been more respectful of my elders when I was younger. Now it's my turn I guess to be dissed by the youngsters, many with no clue. Oh well!

tomder55 · Jul 14, 2020, 12:51 PM

And I suspect Biden's choice of running mate will be supremely important in his being elected.

indeed . Unlike him ,his running mate will have to have a pulse .

Prevention means ceasing spreader activity such as all unnecessary human activity, and focusing on the essentials like NY did, and is still doing, and having a great testing infrastructure while we do all that other stuff you mentioned.

And yet counties that opened up here are "spiking " and il duce is threatening more draconian action. I need to do my research . I think many of these measures are illegal or unconstitutional.
Facing reality . All these measures are the equivalent of the prevent defense . The slowing of the rate of infection won't change the fact that the virus is going to run it's course until humans achieve herd immunity .