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    Jul 2, 2020, 06:56 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    The others are not happy with the long history of suppression, oppression, exploitation, abuses and atrocities. The other side of that fence can no longer ignore and dismiss those complaints as they always have, because that just makes the complaining louder. You said it best here,



    Very insightful, and a culmination of many things kept buried and hidden for a long time.
    Yeh I get it right now and again, but there are two sides to every story and as I said it depends on which side of the fence you sit
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    Jul 2, 2020, 07:36 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    Yeh I get it right now and again, but there are two sides to every story and as I said it depends on which side of the fence you sit
    True, every story has two sides. In this case, one is right and one is wrong.
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    Jul 2, 2020, 07:44 AM
    I sit on the side of the fence that says put up, or shut up, if the founding documents are to be lived up to. So far they have NOT.
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    Jul 2, 2020, 05:07 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    I sit on the side of the fence that says put up, or shut up, if the founding documents are to be lived up to. So far they have NOT.
    The founding documents institutionalised injustice, obviously those who wrote them were in two minds, there was a master race and there were lesser persons, slaves. The high sounding words didn't apply to them. You can't blame today's humans for being confused
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    Jul 2, 2020, 05:27 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    The founding documents institutionalised injustice, obviously those who wrote them were in two minds, there was a master race and there were lesser persons, slaves. The high sounding words didn't apply to them. You can't blame today's humans for being confused
    I can't argue with that. What's been done can't be undone.

    Like tal says, it's time to live up to all those high-sounding words. Nothing wrong with the words, it's the livin'-up-to that needs work.
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    Jul 2, 2020, 06:37 PM
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    I can't argue with that. What's been done can't be undone.

    Like tal says, it's time to live up to all those high-sounding words. Nothing wrong with the words, it's the livin'-up-to that needs work.
    always did
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    Jul 3, 2020, 09:08 AM
    We have made some progress, and it hasn't been smooth, or pretty, but for all the chaos and noise there is some hope that nobody has quite making those baby steps. Quite the opposite as just the conversation is a good sign, and if the historically racist state of Mississippi can make a small change as changing it's state flag, then at least we are leaning in the right direction...for now.

    I'll take it!

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