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    May 8, 2020, 06:13 AM
    Trump and AG Barr Emasculate the Rule of Law
    In an unbelievable and unprecedented move, Attorney General Barr, at the request of Trump, has withdrawn the DOJ's case against Michael Flynn, the disgraced and convicted former National Security Advisor who has twice pled guilty to the charges Trump/Barr want dropped.

    The basis is the lies were "immaterial". Immaterial? Like lying about contacts with Russia and Flynn's failure to disclose that he was on the payroll of a foreign country while serving as National Security Advisor? That's why Trump fired him in the first place. Trump is now saying the people responsible for bringing Flynn to justice are "scum".

    Barr is a piece of evil who cares not a whit that everybody knows he's evil. Trump is a piece of evil who knows that his supporters don't care about his evil.

    God save the United States of America!
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    May 8, 2020, 08:16 AM
    One law for dufus cronies, even if they get convicted or plead guilty TWICE? Another law for everybody else? Don't even read the filing papers. Barr, or some flunkey lies better than the dufus himself.

    Of course the right will eat this up and blame Obama for firing there hero in the first place. Can't wait for the judges reaction though...that should be interesting.
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    May 8, 2020, 03:28 PM
    The Justice Department convicts Flynn. Trump, Flynn's crony, wants Flynn freed. So Barr's Justice Department "un-convicts" Flynn. Never previously done in the history of the US.

    Barr belongs in a banana republic serving a dictator. But he has a wannabee dictator presently in the White House. When Barr was asked what he thinks the historians will write about this crisis and Trump's mishandling of it. Barr replied with his usual smirk, "History is written by the winners". An incredibly snide answer from the nation's chief law enforcement officer.

    Trump, if possible, is worse. Trump has been a disaster from Day One. Now in these past two months or so, he has made the term "disaster" seem almost benign. This madman is indirectly killing Americans by the thousands as he completely mismanages the greatest crisis in decades.

    Incredibly, Trump even went so far to say that injecting bleach into the bloodstream should be investigated. Who out there thinks this is a normal thought process for a sane human being? Other than his Republican sycophants?
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    May 9, 2020, 04:43 AM
    In the meantime, Alan Dershowitz, a man who is a life long democrat, who voted for both Obama and HC, has studied the law all his adult life, taught law for decades at Harvard Law School, and is not blinded by an irrational, vitriolic, deep-seated hatred of Trump, concluded that Barr's only mistake was in waiting too long to dismiss the charges.

    Incredibly, Trump even went so far to say that injecting bleach into the bloodstream should be investigated. Who out there thinks this is a normal thought process for a sane human being?
    Is suggesting a person said something that, in fact, he never said, and that he knows full well the person never said and is thus just making the whole thing up, also a "normal thought process"?
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    May 9, 2020, 05:44 AM
    1. The esteemed Dershowitz, whom I have great respect for, has his opinion, and indeed any lawyer could make a case to justify the actions of the DOJ. Now Barr's contention is there was no basis to investigate Flynn, and that plays well on the right, who haven't even read the actual indictments against Flynn. There was a compelling case there too, and he plead guilty twice. No doubt Barr is using the DOJ at the dufus instruction to help his pal. I mean why would he plead guilty in the first place if he were innocent, and why would he even lie if his actions were legal? Simple questions unanswered? Not really, because you would really have to dismiss the Mueller report, which the dufus with Barr's help has muddied the waters, which dufus sycophants and supporters are only to willing to do. I have written it's damning of this administration and the dufus especially, but go ahead and make it about hatred for this liar and cheater. Okay Barr made his play, the ball is in the judges court, and has a reputation as good as Dershowitz does, if not as well known, so we'll see what his opinion is and his is the one that counts. Unless of course the right wants to swallow that crap dismissal filing without knowing the law or bothering to read the damn thing in the first place. I get why lowly informed partisan supporters like yourself can take that hate the dufus position. You don't read, and what you read you don't understand nor question. That's sad!

    2. He said it alright, and was debunked both on the science, and viability, and moved manufacturers of the products to swiftly and publicly warn against doing what the dufus offered as dangerous even though the labels clearly say poison, and has for decades.

    DUMB!
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    May 9, 2020, 07:16 AM
    I can believe you, or I can believe Dershowitz. Hmmm. Who is smarter, much better informed and unhindered by a dark, sinister, mean hatred of Trump? I wonder if Dersh read "the damn thing"? I bet he did, and I bet he understands it MUCH better than either one of us.

    He never said anything about injecting bleach into a person. If you say he did, then you are stating a falsehood, and that is definitely "DUMB".

    Speaking of falsehoods, are you as aggravated at Schiff as you are at Trump? Schiff claimed REPEATEDLY that he had much and ample evidence to prove collusion between Trump and Russia. It is now becoming plainly clear that a number of high Obama officials testified that they knew of no evidence of such collusion, and that Schiff actually had nothing. Hmmm. Is lying OK as long is it is done by a liberal dem?
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    May 9, 2020, 08:43 AM
    Believe who you want, but the grounds in which DOJ is not pursuing prosecution of Flynn after the fact, may not meet legal muster. I'll believe however the judge rules though.

    He asked if a disinfectant could be injected to deal with the virus or a light applied inside the body and Birx said no, she had never heard of such an application.

    Speaking of falsehoods, the dufus and Barr said Mueller exonerated the dufus of collusion and obstruction and neither was the case. Mueller did lay out why Flynn, Manafort, Gates and Stone were indicted though, and convicted or entered in a plea deal, and that blows Barr's dropping the case a political move not a legal one. As Athos said that's NEVER been done in history.

    If you weren't holding your nose you would smell that rat.
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    May 9, 2020, 09:08 AM
    The transcripts released exposed the emperor as the ring leader of the coup attempt against Trump. I hate to tell you guys . If the prosecution tampers with evidence the way Strzok did in deliberately changing the notes of Bill Priestap ; and continuing to persecute despite a lack of derogatory evidence ;that case should be thrown out every time.

    The FBI had determined on Jan 4 ,well before the Jan 24 interview with Flynn that there was no case against him. Still agents were sent to interview him in what he presumed was a friendly chat and information exchange between the FBI and the incoming National Security boss. What he did not know is that he was being set up for a process crime based on his perfectly legal and logical phone conversation with Ambassador Sergey Kislyak .

    The transcripts reveal that the agents knew that their purpose was to get him in a perjury trap . Their "goal" was "to get him to lie, so we can prosecute him or get him fired."

    What Barr did was restore a little bit of justice to a man that was subject to Soviet style justice by the emperor and the Obots who served him . To restore real justice the emperor ,Susan Rice Clapper ,Brennan ,Comey ,Sally Yates ,Peter Stzrok ,Lisa Page (oh yeah let's not forget quid pro Joe who was also in the White House meeting ) all have to be frog marched .
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    May 9, 2020, 11:44 AM
    He asked if a disinfectant could be injected to deal with the virus or a light applied inside the body and Birx said no, she had never heard of such an application.
    That's closer to the truth. He definitely did not say what you alleged.

    The transcripts reveal that the agents knew that their purpose was to get him in a perjury trap . Their "goal" was "to get him to lie, so we can prosecute him or get him fired."
    Exactly correct. Anyone with a genuine concern for the rule of law should be outraged.
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    May 9, 2020, 04:02 PM
    The judge has read the transcripts of the phone call so we will see. Glad to see you seem to be doing well Tom.
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    May 10, 2020, 03:57 AM
    thanks


    The whole plot is being revealed . Under oath Clapper ,Brennan ,Lynch ,Rice ,Rhodes and most of the cabal admitted
    TO THE SCHIFF COMMITTEE that they never saw evidence of a Russian collusion !!! They all lied to us .​
    Schiff repeatedly claimed that his committee had uncovered “plenty of evidence of collusion or conspiracy.”
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    May 10, 2020, 04:41 AM
    Seriously? You can't be mad at dems for undermining the dufus after decades of blasting HC, and obstructing Obama at every turn.

    As JL famously says all the time it's okay when conservatives do it, but not okay when the libs do it. Well that's not what he says exactly, but turnabout is fair play.
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    May 10, 2020, 05:05 AM
    Seriously? You can't be mad at dems for undermining the dufus after decades of blasting HC, and obstructing Obama at every turn.
    Exactly. How could anyone be mad at the dems for outright lying, for wasting our time and money with hearings that went on for well over a year, and for defaming the names of innocent people? Why would anyone get mad about that?
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    May 10, 2020, 05:35 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Exactly. How could anyone be mad at the dems for outright lying, for wasting our time and money with hearings that went on for well over a year, and for defaming the names of innocent people? Why would anyone get mad about that?
    As opposed to so called repub lies and hearings? How many hearing on Benghazi and emails and that was just HC? The dufus lies, cheats, and steals and any look at that is a conspiracy.

    Cry me a river, but get your own hankie.
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    May 10, 2020, 05:40 AM
    There was plenty of evidence for Benghazi and HC's toy email server. There was therefore something worth investigating. There was no evidence, according to all of Obama's cronies, for Russian collusion. That's not my take on it; that was theirs. The whole thing was make believe.
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    May 10, 2020, 06:08 AM
    It is clear that it was the emperor's regime that were the lawbreakers . We knew that before and called him out on it . But the attempted coup against a duly elected President by the former regime's intel and law enforcement apparatus is unprecedented and has to be treated as the very real threat to our constitutional republic that it was .

    BTW the emperor's beef against Flynn goes back to 2010 and had nothing to do with any idea of Russian interference. It was more to take out anyone of influence who opposed the emperor's policies . Flynn had been the emperor's DIA after a distinguished military career. Before that ,in 2010 ,he wrote a report critical of US intelligence in Afghanistan .It contributed to the perception that the Afghan (the so called 'good war' by the emperor)was going badly .This put him in the cross hairs of Clapper and Brennan for his attacks on the Intel community ;especially the CIA.

    Despite that ,the emperor promoted Flynn to DIA .(a competitor organization to the CIA) .This dispute carried over to Syria .The emperor was saying things like ISIS was the JV team . The DIA had a completely different assessment. Further DIA was saying that the effort to arm Syrian resistance was a complete failure and the idea that the Syrian resistance was going to defeat Assad was absurd .
    Then there was the attack on Benghazi ;which had been the hub of the emperor's efforts to arm the so called Free Syrian Army. The DIA pointed out that many of the arms were ending up in the hands of radical jihadists like ISIS.Ambassador Stevens was in Benghazi at the bequest of the CIA to end the weapons supply from Benghazi when the attack occurred . The emperor canned Flynn because Flynn often publicly disagreed with adm polices .

    But that was not enough . The emperor had a vendetta that resurfaced when Flynn joined the Trump campaign and Flynn testified to Congress about his criticism of the emperor's policies . He was also critical of the emperor's policies re :the Iran Deal . Once he joined the Trump campaign he was put under surveillance .
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    May 10, 2020, 06:37 AM
    Flynn is your hero huh?

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...icials-n756316

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...icials-n756421

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ap-cleric.html

    That's my spin and I'm sticking to it.

    This sums up my sentiments rather well.

    https://www.nationalmemo.com/barr-op...rial-ambitions
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    May 10, 2020, 09:10 AM
    ummm Barr filed a 48(a) .Waiting on Judge Sullivan's decision . SCOTUS ruled a long time ago that Sullivan would have to find the dismissal in bad faith ,rather than the prosecution itself being conducted in bad faith (which it definitely was and I won't bore you with the court cases involved ) . Sullivan can conceivably demand an explanation which I'm sure Barr is more than willing to provide since the whole Flynn prosecution was an extreme miscarriage of justice .

    As to the other links
    Yes the emperor warned Trump to not hire Flynn and I already explained his reason for hating Flynn.

    The DIA knew of and approved Flynn's Russia trip to meet Putin and RT . He was debriefed before and after the trip.

    Yes he did not disclose the fees RT paid and his work as an agent for Turkey. Like MANY others who have been guilty of that he deserves a slap on the wrist.

    When JF Kerry as a private citizen outside of government had multiple contact with Iranians without State Dept approval ;was his home raided ? Was an attempt made to charge him with Logan Act violations ? Was he and his family threatened ?was his personal wealth destroyed to cover his defense for not registering as a foreign agent? Was his security clearance revoked ?
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    May 10, 2020, 09:31 AM
    Tomder - Among other things, you left out Flynn acting as a secret agent for a foreign power while Trump's National Security Advisor.

    Then there was Flynn's lying to Pence causing his being fired by Trump.

    And, of course, Flynn involved in removing the cleric from Pennsylvania to Turkey to be tried on trumped(!)-up charges.

    And being paid thousands of dollars by state-owned Russian Television. He compared RT to CNN or MSNBC. Shows you where his head is.
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    May 10, 2020, 09:55 AM
    Responding to Tal ,the only issue you raise that was not discussed was Flynn not informing Pence that the issue of sanctions was raised during his discussion with the Russian Ambassador . That cost him his job . It was not a criminal offense . Love your use of the term "secret agent for a foreign power" . As I discussed ,his acting as an agent for a foreign power should have as much jeopardy as Kerry acting as a"secret agent for a foreign power (Iran)"

    If you are a Democrat it is not an issue …..just ask the Podesta brothers . You do know that it is rare for anyone to be charged with violating the law requiring registering as a foreign agent . And when they are caught ;if their names aren't Manafort ,they usually get a slap on the wrist .
    It’s more common for authorities to send a letter urging lobbyists to file necessary paperwork than jumping straight to filing criminal charges;or busting down their doors in the early morning hours while CNN cameras record footage .

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