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    Mar 11, 2020, 12:49 PM
    Bail Out and stimulus BS
    For the record ;I opposed the bailouts and stimulus of 2008-9 and I opposed new bailouts and stimulus attempts now . Now we are talking bailouts because the Saudi's and the Russians can't play nice in the sand box and because there is an outbreak of the sniffles. I could not claim to be a true conservative and argue that there should be a big government solution to every problem. And that includes and irrational pandemic of fear . Want something to fear ? Fear a government that grabs your money and gives it to someone else on the pretext of a perceived "crisis" .



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    Mar 11, 2020, 02:42 PM
    yes it is all media hype
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    Mar 12, 2020, 03:15 AM
    Wall Street seems to take the flu and oil wars seriously. I thought most capitalists did too. I guess we let the markets dictate the response eh Tom? You know how this goes, as we get deeper into this thing the states will do what they do, and if the fed doesn't help out, all you conservatives will get left in the dust of negative economic tidal wave that follows a massive shutdown. NY might weather the storm, but can Kansas, or Mississippi? We haven't even felt the full extent of the Chinese shutdown yet, but we will, and you know it.

    Maybe it is media hype, but the next month or so will bring even the most conservatives to reality I think. The trickle down will be tested, and so will conservatives who say do nothing. Who you gonna call when your economy gets shutdown for a month or TWO? What are you gonna do when your job says stay home we got no customers?

    I'm sure though you think once this media hoax is exposed things go back to the way it was without doing anything but business as usual right? I think you get outvoted on that stimulus package Tom. Nobody will forget who did what if this isn't a hoax either.
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    Mar 12, 2020, 12:39 PM
    the government cant control irrational fear . Besides fireside chats the government ususally does more harm than good . Show me the Bear Stern in this case ? What should've been a small recession lasted time lasted almost a decade as
    we counted on the government to fix the economy with stupid pump priming .The
    emperor for 2 terms called it the new normal.
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    Mar 12, 2020, 04:46 PM
    Are we talking the government or the stock market? Where'd those trillions of dollars go when they lost all those points this week?
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    Mar 12, 2020, 06:28 PM
    Talaniman: Its what I said ALL ALONG: Every so many years, Wall Street has a fit and a "BLACK PERIOD" and these are "design behaviors" and the end game of these eruption is to RAID THE RETIREMENT FUNDS AND THE 401Ks! Its damned obvious for anyone who is looking. THERE ARE NO FURNACES BURNING MONEY THIS WEEK! SOMEONE IS MAKING TONS AND TONS OF MONEY!

    As far as the Russian-Saudi Oil Riff: The media is trying to make the Russians out to be the bad guys: NOT TRUE! The filthy Saudis are the bad guys in this: Obama used the Saudis by asking them to up production in order to hurt the Russian economy: The Russians have good reason not to trust the Wahabi Saudis!
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    Mar 13, 2020, 03:43 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Vacuum7 View Post
    Talaniman: Its what I said ALL ALONG: Every so many years, Wall Street has a fit and a "BLACK PERIOD" and these are "design behaviors" and the end game of these eruption is to RAID THE RETIREMENT FUNDS AND THE 401Ks! Its damned obvious for anyone who is looking. THERE ARE NO FURNACES BURNING MONEY THIS WEEK! SOMEONE IS MAKING TONS AND TONS OF MONEY!
    You accusing rich guys of stealing from everybody they can? Or is it protecting their wealth that they already stole from everybody else?

    As far as the Russian-Saudi Oil Riff: The media is trying to make the Russians out to be the bad guys: NOT TRUE! The filthy Saudis are the bad guys in this: Obama used the Saudis by asking them to up production in order to hurt the Russian economy: The Russians have good reason not to trust the Wahabi Saudis!
    The Saudis are just as ruthless as the Russians and nobody should trust either of them! Do so at your own peril.

    Dictator and tyrant societies have distinct advantage over elected societies, they can manipulate the money and not lose a dime off the backs of their populations. OOPS we have the same thing going here rich guys can make MO'MONEY off the backs of the working population too.

    Can't trust them either I guess!
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    Mar 13, 2020, 04:48 AM
    As far as Wall Street goes ;they panic when someone sneezes . I never thought that main stream America would be so weak . Tips for people wanting to invest . It is a good time to buy when there is a run on toilet paper . This consolidation of stocks at lower numbers is a great buy opportunity . There is no way the economy dropped that fast in a couple days . The underlying strength of the economy is sound . And when this irrational fear passes there will be a V shaped rebound ....... assuming the government doesn't do something stupid like porkulus 2020 .

    Let the Saudis and the Russians duke it out over the scraps of the energy market . USA rules and is the future of the energy supply ..... assuming the government doesn't do something stupid like the Green New Deal .
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    Mar 13, 2020, 05:17 AM
    tomder55: FINALLY SOME RATIONAL THOUGHT! You have verbalized/articulated what I was thinking but couldn't wordsmith! Its all fear mongering....the CHAOS SOWEERS, like Soros and his ilk are looking for the openings to try and muck-up the economy and get Trump out of Office: George Soros really needs to become a CIA target (if we can ever get the CIA to, once again, become an organization that supports U.S. interests).
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    Mar 13, 2020, 08:12 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    As far as Wall Street goes ;they panic when someone sneezes . I never thought that main stream America would be so weak . Tips for people wanting to invest . It is a good time to buy when there is a run on toilet paper . This consolidation of stocks at lower numbers is a great buy opportunity . There is no way the economy dropped that fast in a couple days . The underlying strength of the economy is sound . And when this irrational fear passes there will be a V shaped rebound ....... assuming the government doesn't do something stupid like porkulus 2020 .
    The hell with the people caught in the middle who don't invest right! Spoken like a true capitalist.

    Let the Saudis and the Russians duke it out over the scraps of the energy market . USA rules and is the future of the energy supply ..... assuming the government doesn't do something stupid like the Green New Deal .
    The US rules but the Saudis can control the price of a barrel of oil which makes us just another producer dependent on THEM! Economics 101, how long can you last selling your oil $20-$30 bucks below the break even price? Exxon will last longer than the smaller operations. NOW WHAT?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vacuum7 View Post
    tomder55: FINALLY SOME RATIONAL THOUGHT! You have verbalized/articulated what I was thinking but couldn't wordsmith! Its all fear mongering....the CHAOS SOWEERS, like Soros and his ilk are looking for the openings to try and muck-up the economy and get Trump out of Office: George Soros really needs to become a CIA target (if we can ever get the CIA to, once again, become an organization that supports U.S. interests).
    Rich guys run it, now shut up and do as you're told since slaves have no say in the matter! You're not a slave to the Big Money Gods?
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    Mar 13, 2020, 09:13 AM
    The hell with the people caught in the middle who don't invest right! Spoken like a true capitalist.
    more people are impacted by the market than you realize . As far as I can see the biggest impact to the rest of the country is the irrational panic buying I saw at the grocery store today. Pathetic!
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    Mar 13, 2020, 12:10 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    more people are impacted by the market than you realize . As far as I can see the biggest impact to the rest of the country is the irrational panic buying I saw at the grocery store today. Pathetic!
    And why the irrational panic? Because our dear leader hasn't been and still isn't addressing the source of the panic and calming our fears.
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    Mar 13, 2020, 01:59 PM
    because progressive education over the years has turned the people from rugged individuals to spineless sheeple . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X29lF43mUlo
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    Mar 13, 2020, 02:01 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    because progressive education over the years has turned the people from rugged individuals to spineless sheeple . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X29lF43mUlo
    Education should be what?

    (What's "progressive education"?)
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    Mar 13, 2020, 02:10 PM
    Markets rebounded as the dufus declares an emergency and gets CEO's to say god stuff! better late than never I guess.
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    Mar 13, 2020, 02:10 PM
    " Education should be what ? "I know what it should be .
    What's "progressive education"?
    What it is in this country is indoctrination .

    A few weeks ago the left was running around terrified that Trump started WWIII by killing General Salami . Before that there was the scolding teen girl that had you all convinced that the world had 12 years left . The left has become a dooms day cult .

    That's why the stores are out of water ;toilet paper and chicken legs . I am embarrassed for this country .You think one person's leadership would make any difference ? I see the same reaction when there is the threat of a snow flurry .
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    Mar 13, 2020, 02:11 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Education should be what?

    (What's "progressive education"?)
    Progressive education is anything past the 3rd grade.
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    Mar 13, 2020, 02:24 PM
    The purpose of "progressive education" is
    indoctrination so the student believes that the purpose of human life is to deny and reject the supernatural and to sacrifice oneself to the collective, or in the progressive vernacular “humanity.”
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    Mar 13, 2020, 03:48 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    The purpose of "progressive education" is
    indoctrination so the student believes that the purpose of human life is to deny and reject the supernatural and to sacrifice oneself to the collective, or in the progressive vernacular “humanity.”
    That's the conservative spin. Since 3rd grade conservative believe in the one with the most money is GOD. To be god like you need MO'MONEY! Screw humanity.
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    Mar 13, 2020, 04:00 PM
    it can be traced to a couple of hallucingen using psychology professors . They got together to form the U of Chicago Laboratory school 1894 .
    The purpose of the school was to see what kind of curriculum was needed to produce socialists instead of capitalists, collectivists instead of individualists. The school indoctrinated students from nursery school through 12th
    John Dewey was one of the instructors .
    According to Dewey, “ education is growth under favorable conditions; the school is the place where those conditions should be regulated scientifically.In other words, if we apply psychology to education, then the ideal classroom is a psych lab and the pupils are laboratory animals. There is much more to it . But you get the idea


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