[talaniman]

Recovery isn't the word I would use since I don't think we have seen it's peak at all. Has any other country? I have serious doubts.

[paraclete]

well China seems to had seen the peak or they are not providing updates?

[talaniman]

Italy is showing small improvements too, but whho knows for sure. The dufus has said he is considering opening America again in the next few weeks as the cure being worse than the sickness is unthinkable. meanwhile 5 congress people have been isolated and one with the virus as they hammer out a bail out agreement which has failed twice in the senate.

[paraclete]

Italy is showing small improvements too, but whho knows for sure. The dufus has said he is considering opening America again in the next few weeks as the cure being worse than the sickness is unthinkable. meanwhile 5 congress people have been isolated and one with the virus as they hammer out a bail out agreement which has failed twice in the senate.

don't understand your system, I thought the repelicans held your Senate. Our parliament met for a day, passed the necessary laws, and will not meet again until August, Sometimes bipartisanship is necessary for the national good

[jlisenbe]

We have Nancy Pelosi. That's all the explanation needed.

[paraclete]

We have Nancy Pelosi. That's all the explanation needed.

I didn't know Pelosi is a Senator, don't you have separation of the Houses?

[Wondergirl]

I didn't know Pelosi is a Senator, don't you have separation of the Houses?

She's a State Representative, the Speaker of the House of Representatives.

The legislative body is the House and Senate. The executive body is the president. The judicial body is the Supreme Court.

Executive-Legislative-Judicial.

[talaniman]

The president can't get a bill on his desk to sign into law until it's passed through both the House (435 people who represent 750,000 citizens in a district of the state), and the Senate (Two for every state). Repubs control the Senate, and Dems control the House after the 2018 election.

[jlisenbe]

Who said Pelosi is a senator?

[paraclete]

Who said Pelosi is a senator?

You did you gave her credit for the bills delay in the senate

She's a State Representative, the Speaker of the House of Representatives.

The legislative body is the House and Senate. The executive body is the president. The judicial body is the Supreme Court.

Executive-Legislative-Judicial.

Yes we have the same system but not a two party system of government, bipartisanship comes into play more often

[jlisenbe]

You did you gave her credit for the bills delay in the senate

Your lack of familiarity with our system comes back to bite you. The Senate and the House will both have to approve this bill, so it is an ongoing measure in both bodies. Pelosi, as Speaker of the House, has great input. Anyone who knows our system would know that mentioning Pelosi certainly does not in any way ID her as a senator.

The part that is, as usual, being completely ignored is the fact that these people are spending "virtual" money. It's money we don't have. So, since they are spending what we don't have and don't have to impose taxes to get, they just turn the faucets on wide-open and let 'er rip. It was 1 trillion on Saturday, but now it's grown to 2 trillion, so we've gone from 3 thousand dollars per American to six thousand. Oh well.

[talaniman]

Unfair to expect Clete, or any other foreigner to know our system as well as we do. Heck most Americans have trouble getting it right half the time. I stopped worry about the debt and deficit after the original dufus cut taxes after Clinton balanced the budget, and repubs only hollered NOMOMONEY when a democrat was in office. At least you blast 'em all as being fiscally irresponsible, but hard not to use debt for this current health and fiscal crisis. Darn near impossible.

[tomder55]

[Trump]

has said he is considering opening America again in the next few weeks as the cure being worse than the sickness is unthinkable.

and he is right . Could it be that we are doing this bass akwards ? The economic damage this is bringing is far worse than the disease .More people will become collateral damage due how we are approaching this . And what happens when the disease returns in a year . We are not properly developing herd immunity by hiding away in our homes . Maybe there will be vaccines and pharmaceutical remedies by then . But perhaps would've it been better to allow the young and healthy to become exposed ? I predict more people will be hurt by the economic damage this is causing than what the virus is doing
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/20/o...-4yoWZab_rr200

[jlisenbe]

Unfair to expect Clete, or any other foreigner to know our system as well as we do. Heck most Americans have trouble getting it right half the time.

You're right about that, but a little humility by Clete would be nice. When you are not familiar with the system, then maybe you should't be so quick to throw stones.

I stopped worry about the debt and deficit after the original dufus cut taxes after Clinton balanced the budget, and repubs only hollered NOMOMONEY when a democrat was in office.

It is absolutely stunning that you left out Obama. He accumulated as much debt as every other pres before him COMBINED. Wow. You also conveniently neglect to mention that it was a Newt Gingrich led republican House that crafted and insisted on those balanced budgets Clinton had. Talk about being partisan!

At least you blast 'em all as being fiscally irresponsible, but hard not to use debt for this current health and fiscal crisis. Darn near impossible.

It would be fine if we had not just endured two presidents (Bush/Obama) that ran up enormous debt, and now a repub pres and dem House that just can't seem to spend money fast enough. If we had been responsible the past twenty years, we would have the margin to do this safely. And please don't go down the road of Trump's tax cuts. That accounts for only 20% (and probably not that much) of the present budget deficit. It is over-spending that is just killing us.

[paraclete]

You're right about that, but a little humility by Clete would be nice. When you are not familiar with the system, then maybe you should't be so quick to throw stones.

In this case I didn't throw stones but made an observation based on comment by jl as to humility, you first, lead by example

[jlisenbe]

Your comment was totally incorrect. I never said Pelosi was in the Senate. If I did, then post the quote. Otherwise, admit your mistake and drop it, or at least just drop it. It gets old.

[paraclete]

Your comment was totally incorrect. I never said Pelosi was in the Senate. If I did, then post the quote. Otherwise, admit your mistake and drop it, or at least just drop it. It gets old.

You said that the passing of the bill was held up in the senate because of Pelosi but in your system of government the house leader has no say in the Senate so I said I didn't know that Pelosi was a Senator, the inference to be drawn from your statement.

Now if it was my system of government the influence of the prime minister could be said to extend to the senate but Pelosi is not a head of government

[jlisenbe]

in your system of government the house leader has no say in the Senate so I said I didn't know that Pelosi was a Senator, the inference to be drawn from your statement.

Your inference was based upon a faulty assumption. The House and Senate must both approve a bill, so there is always communication going on from one side to the other. Pelosi has a great deal of informal influence in the Senate. All Speakers do. That was your faulty understanding.

[paraclete]

now if that had been your reply in the first instance we would have saved a lot of time

[jlisenbe]

I assumed you knew what you were talking about. My mistake.