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    Feb 22, 2020, 07:00 PM
    Conservatives always see conservative stuff clearly. Anything else is fuzzy as hell. Grenell is a place holder, and fetch boy, to snoop on what the intell is and report to his master to debunk!
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    #62

    Feb 23, 2020, 11:17 AM
    The fact Grenell is a homosexual does put a feather in Trump's hat because it shows his inclusiveness within his administration.
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    #63

    Feb 23, 2020, 11:56 AM
    Has nothing to do it. He fired McGuire and the #2 IDNI to make sure he could control the flow of information to the congress about Russian interference in 2020. Hiding the cyber capabilities of other countries from the American people is what destroys our ability to separate the truth from the lies. He covered for Vlad in 2016, and he will surely do it again, after getting away with it before.
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    Feb 26, 2020, 09:48 AM
    Reported today is the US intelligence community warning Trump that Russia is again interfering in the presidential election as they did in 2016.
    time for an update :

    U.S. intelligence officials are concerned that their latest findings about Russian election interference are being distorted and weaponized for political gain ...
    Last week, a bombshell report in The New York Times said Pierson and other briefers in the meeting had told lawmakers "that Russia was interfering in the 2020 campaign to try to get President Trump re-elected."
    Intelligence officials say that was an overstatement, fueled, they believe, by a misinterpretation by some Democratic lawmakers on the committee.
    Two intelligence officials told NBC News this week that Pierson did not tell lawmakers that intelligence showed Russia was actively working to help the president's re-election campaign.
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/nat...ssian-n1142821

    I suggest that the op should be edited to say Democratic lawmakers (aka bug eyed Shiff ) are distorting intelligence briefings again .
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    Feb 26, 2020, 10:14 AM
    fueled, they believe, by a misinterpretation by some Democratic lawmakers on the committee.
    Why am I not surprised.
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    Feb 26, 2020, 12:34 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    time for an update :



    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/nat...ssian-n1142821

    I suggest that the op should be edited to say Democratic lawmakers (aka bug eyed Shiff ) are distorting intelligence briefings again .
    My spin is the dufus is promoting more Russian hoax stories and fake news and has the intel community buffaloed to say anything. Worked in 2016, and adapted by DOJ Barr after the Mueller Report. More of the same from the dufus.
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    Feb 26, 2020, 06:48 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    My spin is the dufus is promoting more Russian hoax stories and fake news and has the intel community buffaloed to say anything. Worked in 2016, and adapted by DOJ Barr after the Mueller Report. More of the same from the dufus.
    Yes why should he abandon a successful ploy, but he has seen off Meuller, he has seen off impeachment and he has his enemies on the run

    What is wrong with an open policy towards Russia
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    Feb 26, 2020, 07:02 PM
    For now.
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    #69

    Mar 1, 2020, 11:03 PM
    What do you mean, Russia isn't being aggressive but Syria may lead to consequences between Turkey and Russia and Europe will have trouble keeping those pesky refugees out. None of this is an issue for the US yet, but as Turkey is a NATO ally we will see
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    Mar 2, 2020, 03:03 AM
    The dufus has taken over the repub party, and rules it tighter than most countries and he survives by being the repub dictator and uses fear as his tool to rule. Tyranny from within without firing a shot, because words are more effective. He wins for now, but come on Clete, how do you have an open policy with a dictator that uses tanks and armies to conquer countries and help ruthless dictators to consolidate their domination of populations?

    That is a strange notion at best, as they are the enemy by their own actions, and how are pesky refugees created in the first place?

    That's blaming the victim and not the cause.
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    Mar 2, 2020, 04:17 AM
    No not blaming the victim but they shpuld look after their own first and not cause them to flee with perpetuating a fight they cannot win
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    Mar 2, 2020, 07:43 AM
    Man has always fled adverse situations and conditions, you know that fight or flight thing, so what's a person with or without a family to do when faced with starvation or destruction? You tell me.

    A citizen is mostly just an immigrant himself with squatters rights by what ever the law says, or we would all be in our places of origins, and you would be bending a knee for the queen. I'd be a king in West Africa if some white man had not been looking for cheap labor in a new land. This notion of sovereignty has fueled many a bloody conflict and made many refugees in our history, when it's really about who can you dominate now for profit, while bleating about what you took and how to keep it.

    Conquest and plunder is the history of humans to this day. Doesn't matter how civilized you claim to be, because we all know the one with the biggest stick makes the rules. It's always been that way, and not likely to change soon.
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    #73

    Mar 2, 2020, 08:00 AM
    you would be bending a knee for the queen. I'd be a king in West Africa.
    Funny how you assume Clete would be a serf but you would be a king.

    Conquest and plunder is the history of humans to this day. Doesn't matter how civilized you claim to be, because we all know the one with the biggest stick makes the rules. It's always been that way, and not likely to change soon.
    The great exception to that rule is the United States. Much of what we have done the past hundred years has been to secure the freedom of others and not to colonize.
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    Mar 2, 2020, 08:07 AM
    Conquest and plunder is the history of humans to this day. Doesn't matter how civilized you claim to be, because we all know the one with the biggest stick makes the rules. It's always been that way, and not likely to change soon.
    The great exception to that rule is the United States. Much of what we have done the past hundred years has been to secure the freedom of others and not to colonize.
    When in England at a fairly large conference, Colin Powell was asked by the Archbishop of Canterbury if our plans for Iraq were just an example of empire building by George Bush.He answered by saying that, “Over the years, the United States has sent many of its fine young men and women into great peril to fight for freedom beyond our borders. The only amount of land we have ever asked for in return is enough to bury those that did not return.”
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    #75

    Mar 2, 2020, 08:07 AM
    Talaniman: Filthy Turks are using drones "en mass" over Northern Syria and are putting Russia in a weird situation: The Russian SOLD the Turks the AS-400 Anti-Aircraft Missles Systems. Also, the the Turks are trying to coerce Europe into taking them in as an E.U. member by threating to UNLEASH more immigrants through Turkey from Syria! Soon, Syria will have lost so many souls that IT will have import people from somewhere else to fill the population!
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    #76

    Mar 2, 2020, 09:33 AM
    Great quote, Tom.
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    #77

    Mar 3, 2020, 07:34 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Vacuum7 View Post
    Talaniman: Filthy Turks are using drones "en mass" over Northern Syria and are putting Russia in a weird situation: The Russian SOLD the Turks the AS-400 Anti-Aircraft Missles Systems. Also, the the Turks are trying to coerce Europe into taking them in as an E.U. member by threating to UNLEASH more immigrants through Turkey from Syria! Soon, Syria will have lost so many souls that IT will have import people from somewhere else to fill the population!
    Most of those refugees running to Greece are Syrians who fled THAT war and Turkey is tired of them. Of course they want Mo'Money from the EU or let the caravans begin. We just got a taste and yes Syria is a total mess.
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    #78

    Mar 3, 2020, 08:58 AM
    Talaniman: We (i.e. the world) would be better off letting Russia "correct" the Syrian problem...otherwise, it becomes our problem...maybe similarly to how Afghanistan became OUR problem once the Russian high tailed it back home. Problem is that the nasty Turks, with their dictator, are trying to exert their will STILL after all of the historical plundering and horrors they committed in that part of the world over the centuries: The Turks never learned any lessons because they never got SLAPPED hard! They committed the Armenian Genocide but never had any repercussions from it at all...and that is just one example.
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    #79

    Mar 3, 2020, 09:01 AM
    We should be thankful everyday for becoming energy independent under the Trump administration. It makes the fate of much of the Middle East less important to us.
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    Mar 3, 2020, 09:06 AM
    jlisenbe: That it does! The preservation of Israel is important, however.

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