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paraclete · Mar 3, 2020, 10:03 PM

Originally Posted by talaniman

Most of those refugees running to Greece are Syrians who fled THAT war and Turkey is tired of them. Of course they want Mo'Money from the EU or let the caravans begin. We just got a taste and yes Syria is a total mess.

They should just open the Syrian border and push them back to Syria. Most of that country is pacified now, no excuse for staying in Turkey or the EU for that matter. the EU can pay Syria to take them back

Vacuum7 · Mar 4, 2020, 06:37 AM

Let Assad do what he must: There is no way that we (as non-Arabs) can understand the dynamics of these ancient lands when it comes to control of their people: We need to stop looking at them with the idea that "They are just like us" when all evidence says that are not or that they definitely do not think like us. Assad is a secular President and the Baathist Party is secular: These are not crazy, wild-eyed radicals: Assad will deal with the problem as he must and as it must be dealt with: ASSAD is far better than the Turks...and the Turks are not Arabs and the Arabs despise their arses.

talaniman · Mar 4, 2020, 07:53 AM

You can always just google news feeds and get updated on what's going on in that part of the world and maybe get a perspective of the chaos and humanitarian crisis that tyrants, dictators, despots, and authoritarian strong men reek on their own populations and how it spills over to neighboring countries.

Not like us Vac? I don't know, as take away the trauma of long term war and all that brings with it, you could be surprised how alike they are to us.

tomder55 · Mar 4, 2020, 08:38 AM

all I know is that NATO and Russia is very close to a face off there . That is not good news for anyone .

Vacuum7 · Mar 4, 2020, 11:00 AM

Talaniman: Syria was fine until the CIA and Obama decide to start the ARAB SPRING B.S.! Did you know Syria has some of the oldest operating Churches in the world and even operating Synagogues? They had a hell of a lot more before the ARAB SPRING! All the Arab Spring was about was getting a gas pipeline into Europe through Syria from Saudi Arabia: All the killing they did and ASSAD is still in power and still no pipeline: this was all done for Europe's benefit and to prevent Europe from having to buy natural gas from Russia: Whole damn thing was criminal.

tomder55: Turkey is the aggressor here: Turkey decided they were going to grab Syrian territory. Syria didn't invade Turkey, Turkey invaded Syria: Turkey can't be calling NATO to help them on anything here! If Russia kicks the dogsh&t out of Turkey, NATO doesn't need to get involved because Turkey asked for it.....CAN'T DEFEND THE FILTHY TURKS!

paraclete · Mar 4, 2020, 04:49 PM

what have you got against turks, vac? they are no worse than any of the ME

Vacuum7 · Mar 4, 2020, 08:08 PM

The Turks have skirted the law and skated through the centuries and gotten away with murder. They were German allies in WWI and there was no Allied retribution doled out to them like it was to Germany. They committed the Armenian Genocide and nothing happened to them: Everything has a beginning, a middle, and an end: Time for the Turks to pay: Let the Russians bash their brains in!

paraclete · Mar 5, 2020, 06:03 AM

Originally Posted by Vacuum7

The Turks have skirted the law and skated through the centuries and gotten away with murder. They were German allies in WWI and there was no Allied retribution doled out to them like it was to Germany. They committed the Armenian Genocide and nothing happened to them: Everything has a beginning, a middle, and an end: Time for the Turks to pay: Let the Russians bash their brains in!

There is no land border between Russia and Turkey, the Russians will not be invading Turkey, Russia will not do the US dirty work for them

talaniman · Mar 5, 2020, 06:41 AM

Russia sells weapons to the Turks to do their dirty work for them in the case of the Syrian refugees and as we have seen the Kurds while enjoying NATO protections and US air bases with it's Nukes. Anybody ever ask what we gave up for that airbase? Or the role Turkey played in the ISIS fight? You don't have to go back a century to question the Turkish agenda run by their tyrant, to be suspicious of their actions. I mean this was always a gateway to ISIS recruiting from all over the world especially from Russia.

Syria ain't paying a dime for their refugees that can't go home, so who benefits from them going to the EU countries? Who benefits from this rift in NATO, with this in house proxy war not just with weapons but people as weapons too?

talaniman · Mar 5, 2020, 06:59 AM

Originally Posted by paraclete

There is no land border between Russia and Turkey, the Russians will not be invading Turkey, Russia will not do the US dirty work for them

Yes there are Clete and a simple map shows the land mass known as Eastern Europe is a direct route between Turkey and the USSR. We aren't talking invasion of Turkey so much as collaborating with them against EU and US interests in that part of the world.

How hard is it to cross the Black Sea from Russia to Turkey?

Vacuum7 · Mar 5, 2020, 10:49 AM

Talaniman: Now you got me thinking! You are saying RUSSIAN INTERESTS are being served in all this? I think that is what you mean...….and, I can see your point.