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    Mar 18, 2020, 07:23 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    We are doing a lot already, but we should not panic as in your post. We've faced FAR worse situations than this and made it fine, and we'll get through this just fine if we'll keep our heads.
    There is a lot of chaos just because this came about suddenly. Some still don't take it seriously enough and some take it to the extremes. Fear does that, always has and always will, and slow responses don't help that. Expect more fear though as the scope of this event comes into better focus. Everybody is scrambling to deal with this.

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    Paraclete: "Losing" the "need" for ChiCom slave labor should be the goal of highest U.S. importance! The U.S. should be endeavoring to do whatever it has to do to rid itself of the ChiCom scourge: After this horrific episode, if the brain-dead citizenry of this nation aren't beginning to catch onto the realization of the evil actions and intentions of Red China well, then, all hope is lost.

    We should be thinking in terms of revoking Red China's Favored Nation Trading Status and, also, canceling our debt payment to them to the tune of however many billion of $$$s this Corona Virus has damaged our country. If Red China has half of their country in poverty, my only hope is that their poverty number expands to consume the entire fetid nation.
    Can't wait for the Chicom's response at losing favored nation status or the rest of your retaliatory fixes, since in many areas we are dependent on the them, and medical supplies and drugs is one of them.
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    #342

    Mar 18, 2020, 07:27 AM
    There is a lot of chaos just because this came about suddenly. Some still don't take it seriously enough and some take it to the extremes. Fear does that, always has and always will, and slow responses don't help that. Expect more fear though as the scope of this event comes into better focus. Everybody is scrambling to deal with this.
    I think that's a pretty good summary other than to say that I don't really expect virus side of this to become something on the order of the black death of the Middle Ages.
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    Mar 18, 2020, 09:13 AM
    Talaniman: It won't happen overnight but the U.S. would be well served to start planning RIGHT NOW to become independent of Red China IN EVERY WAY POSSIBLE: The relationship with them, as this virus has highlighted, has been nothing but ONE-SIDED and in the ChiComs favor. When you add on that they have now attacked the U.S. with a "BIOLOGICAL WEAPON" disguised as a virus (it sprang forth from their Biological Weapons facility in Wuhan), its really high time we cut all ties with Red China.....then, don't pay them back for any of the loans since they have cause us so much damage with the current attack.
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    Mar 18, 2020, 12:22 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    I think that's a pretty good summary other than to say that I don't really expect virus side of this to become something on the order of the black death of the Middle Ages.
    Nor do I JL, but I don't see this as an easy challenge to overcome either. Hopefully we have come further than we were in middle ages. I think we are playing catch up for now and that's a big challenge in itself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vacuum7 View Post
    Talaniman: It won't happen overnight but the U.S. would be well served to start planning RIGHT NOW to become independent of Red China IN EVERY WAY POSSIBLE: The relationship with them, as this virus has highlighted, has been nothing but ONE-SIDED and in the ChiComs favor. When you add on that they have now attacked the U.S. with a "BIOLOGICAL WEAPON" disguised as a virus (it sprang forth from their Biological Weapons facility in Wuhan), its really high time we cut all ties with Red China.....then, don't pay them back for any of the loans since they have cause us so much damage with the current attack.
    I just repeat, we have no time for revenge or retaliation on just feelings with no facts, and have to be focused on saving our own arse before we think about kicking someone else's.
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    #345

    Mar 18, 2020, 12:24 PM
    Nor do I JL, but I don't see this as an easy challenge to overcome either. Hopefully we have come further than we were in middle ages. I think we are playing catch up for now and that's a big challenge in itself.
    Pretty fair statement. I'm sure we are playing catch-up in some ways, but we're also paying a steep price for what might very well turn out to be a significant over-reaction.
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    #346

    Mar 18, 2020, 12:30 PM
    In what ways if I may ask in all sincerity, as the err on the side of safety seems to be the initial course of action, as in hope for the best, but plan for the worst, just in case.
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    #347

    Mar 18, 2020, 02:54 PM
    We could start with this ridiculous idea to send everyone a check for a thousand dollars. That is nothing more than election year vote buying and a continuation of the idea that money grows on tress, so we can spend with no idea at all of how to pay for it. Beyond that. the crazy over-selling of this thing by the media has panicked a lot of people and the stock market has plunged like a rock. I'm just think that a steady message from the media would have helped. It seems clear now that this is not going to be the end of the world.
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    #348

    Mar 18, 2020, 04:35 PM
    It seems clear now that this is not going to be the end of the world.
    I think that was always clear, it is, however, the end of an era. We will emerge from this more insular, making greater use of the internet and some institutions will have died in the process. Cheap air travel will be one of them, big rock concerts may be another
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    Mar 18, 2020, 05:28 PM
    The senate has passed the House bill, and rumored to be considering a TRILLION dollar package. There will be many changes for now, and more to come. Hate to see those job numbers the next few weeks. Amazing how a bug you can't see takes down the world, and not a meglamaniac. The first unscheduled maintenance shutdown in history.
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    #350

    Mar 18, 2020, 06:52 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    The senate has passed the House bill, and rumored to be considering a TRILLION dollar package. There will be many changes for now, and more to come. Hate to see those job numbers the next few weeks. Amazing how a bug you can't see takes down the world, and not a meglamaniac. The first unscheduled maintenance shutdown in history.
    it is just the planet adjusting over population, notice; it started in the most populous place. many countries are over reacting seeing depression when there will be a mild recession
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    #351

    Mar 18, 2020, 07:10 PM
    The senate has passed the House bill, and rumored to be considering a TRILLION dollar package.
    Lunacy. Trump might as well change his name to Obama.
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    #352

    Mar 18, 2020, 07:32 PM
    This thing has a chance to break this country financially.....it may take 30 years to recover. if every: All we have done with this overreaction and overreach is to strengthen our enemies while we weaken ourselves. The whole episode will be recorded in history as the worst decision in modern history.

    Like 911, this ChiCom virus will erode our freedoms: Already, dastardly people are trying to figure out ways to use this virus panic and parlay that into gaining more control over our freedoms. This may be the closest we have ever come to seeing Fascism in the U.S. because it may be the only way to regain sanity: Right now, all I see is insanity and horrific decision taking.

    Like I have said before: THE CRASHES ON WALL STREET ARE DESIGNED! DESIGNED TO ROB RETIREMENT FUNDS! This is absolute truth.
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    #353

    Mar 18, 2020, 11:16 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Vacuum7 View Post
    This is absolute truth.
    Haven't you heard vac, only a sith deals in absolutes, unless, of course, we are dealing with God who is the only absolute truth
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    #354

    Mar 19, 2020, 04:16 AM
    THE CRASHES ON WALL STREET ARE DESIGNED! DESIGNED TO ROB RETIREMENT FUNDS!
    Why would they want to do that?
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    Mar 19, 2020, 05:27 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Why would they want to do that?
    You are right, they would not but vac has a conspiracy theory, perhaps he thinks the chinese will benefit afterall it is all a chinese plot
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    Mar 19, 2020, 05:44 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Why would they want to do that?
    They've always put a priority on MO'MONEY, and YO'MONEY. Half the country gives rich guys money to play the markets with the promise of getting rich. Same business model as casinos and lottery.
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    #357

    Mar 19, 2020, 07:50 AM
    Talaniman: The Wall Street raids were at a lower frequency that have been turned up to a higher frequency. As I have always said: THE MONEY IS NOT BEING BURNED IN FURNACES: IT IS BEING TRANSFERRED FROM YOU TO SOMEONE ELSE! And, it is a GAMBLE to go the 401K route! Everyone has consumed that cool aide: You get de-funded/stripped of $$$s overnight on an investment that took YEARS TO BUILD UP! They try to calm your fears by telling you that its O.K. if you "just stay in the fund, it will come back"! HORSE SH$T! The values falls like they fell off a table and the trajectory incline of GROWTH BACK is EXTREMELY GRADUAL AND LONG/PROTRACTED: YOU NEVER, EVER RECOVER TO WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN HAD NOT THE FUND BEEN RAIDED! The whole time period between loss and build-back to the original value is MONEY LOST! Why in the hell is that so hard to understand??? And, if you stay around long enough, you have the pleasure of being RAPED AGAIN!

    YES: THE CHINESE WIN IN ALL THIS VIRUS HYSTERIA! They attacked us with a biological weapon, wreck our economy, and stand to be on a much stronger footing coming out of this than we will be coming out of it. So, YES, CHICOMS WIN because we don't have the intestinal fortitude to pull back manufacturing from Red China and we don't have the will power to hit back at them with a biological weapon attack of our own.

    Instead of letting this ChiCom virus run its course and not try and "shield" ourselves (let those who get it, get it and then become immune) we are going to draw this virus' run in the U.S. to a maximum time period which will paralyze our economy, create a generation of social awkward people (as if we needed "more" reasons to not talk and interact with one another!), and allow people in government, both locally and nationally, the excuse to take MORE CONTROL THAN EVER of every waking hour of our lives! Our freedoms are gone with these actions.
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    Mar 19, 2020, 08:27 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Vacuum7 View Post
    Talaniman: The Wall Street raids were at a lower frequency that have been turned up to a higher frequency. As I have always said: THE MONEY IS NOT BEING BURNED IN FURNACES: IT IS BEING TRANSFERRED FROM YOU TO SOMEONE ELSE! And, it is a GAMBLE to go the 401K route! Everyone has consumed that cool aide: You get de-funded/stripped of $$$s overnight on an investment that took YEARS TO BUILD UP! They try to calm your fears by telling you that its O.K. if you "just stay in the fund, it will come back"! HORSE SH$T! The values falls like they fell off a table and the trajectory incline of GROWTH BACK is EXTREMELY GRADUAL AND LONG/PROTRACTED: YOU NEVER, EVER RECOVER TO WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN HAD NOT THE FUND BEEN RAIDED! The whole time period between loss and build-back to the original value is MONEY LOST! Why in the hell is that so hard to understand??? And, if you stay around long enough, you have the pleasure of being RAPED AGAIN!
    Begs the question why people keep playing that game. The market depends on OPM. No OPM, no market, and rich guys get bored.

    YES: THE CHINESE WIN IN ALL THIS VIRUS HYSTERIA! They attacked us with a biological weapon, wreck our economy, and stand to be on a much stronger footing coming out of this than we will be coming out of it. So, YES, CHICOMS WIN because we don't have the intestinal fortitude to pull back manufacturing from Red China and we don't have the will power to hit back at them with a biological weapon attack of our own.
    You keep making that statement but have yet to substantiate it. Until then, it's a loony conspiracy theory.

    Instead of letting this ChiCom virus run its course and not try and "shield" ourselves (let those who get it, get it and then become immune) we are going to draw this virus' run in the U.S. to a maximum time period which will paralyze our economy, create a generation of social awkward people (as if we needed "more" reasons to not talk and interact with one another!), and allow people in government, both locally and nationally, the excuse to take MORE CONTROL THAN EVER of every waking hour of our lives! Our freedoms are gone with these actions.
    Until we find a vaccine or treatment regime, or if indeed it immunity can be built, like the flu, and there are no long lasting effects like reinfection then safety first and caution needed. Can you say recovering people are not just in temporary remission? Are not carriers? No we know NOTHING right now do we except it causes death to some and not others in this initial phase.

    We gave up our freedoms a long time ago, when we agreed to show up at a given time for some dude to give us money whether it was enough to live off of or not. Money is the only freedom now a days. The MO money the MO freedom you have. Thought you knew so stop blaming China for your lack of freedom. Blame the guys you pay the big bucks to for not watching out for YOU!!
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    #359

    Mar 19, 2020, 10:25 AM
    Wuhan - PRC is where the PLA has a Bio;logical Weapons facility: That is how I extrapolate that this virus is a Chinese Biological Weapon....I think the claim has merit and certainly cannot be denounced as a conspiracy theory.

    As for your other comments and point: I don't have a retort....I mostly agree with what you said.....my problem is that I was born 50 years too late...I liked it better when the world wasn't so crazy.
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    Mar 19, 2020, 11:27 AM
    Or was the world crazy as heck, but you didn't know it? There have always been I think enough crazy people who make the world crazy for the rest of us. Can't tell by just looking.

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