[jlisenbe]

Yes, all those children and babies caged at our southern border! Shame on us!

You really equate that with a million human lives a year gone? "Shame on us", but not for a million lives lost a year? Wow. What a committed liberal you have become. Your callous disregard for human life is astonishing.

Nope, not "usually in a violent and sickening manner." It used to be that way when Grandma or Aunt Mabel helped their younger female relatives, but now the deed is done with a pill taken during the first trimester or by the fourth month at the latest. Third-trimester abortions are done when the mother's life is in grave danger. No woman in her right mind would wait until then to get an abortion. Apparently, you've never carried and birthed a child. Those nine months are not a pleasure trip!

"The deed is done." What a sickening characterization. The pill is given up to ten weeks. After that it's vacuum aspiration, D&C, or D&E. They are unspeakably violent and involve tearing the baby's body apart to kill and remove it. The third trimester, which is brutal beyond belief, is the worst. Perhaps you can explain to us why it would be necessary to kill the baby before, or during, delivery to save the mother's life.

So I guess its fine for you that you take all of this so casually. It is not fine for the 900,000 human lives lost. I feel so sorry for you. Your liberal philosophies have overridden your good sense. Any confessing Christian who can be so casual about nearly a million lives a year gone up in smoke is fully deserving of pity

[talaniman]

I have not read all the abortion tangents. To connect this to intersectionality my question is ,was Margaret Sanger a racist or a feminist ,or both ?

Sanger spoke to the Ku Klux Klan and openly wrote about it in her autobiography.

Her eugenics promoted the concept that working class and women of color had to be sterilized or raise multiple children …..or off them . Knowing her inherent racism then how can a person of color or a woke person support her 'Planned Parenthood' ?

I Think the difference is being forced by government, or anyone else, and having a choice.

[jlisenbe]

I Think the difference is being forced by government, or anyone else, and having a choice.

The baby has no choice. It is guilty of being inconvenient.

[tomder55]

murder is murder . One cannot make that choice unless the government allows mass murder infanticide .

[Vacuum7]

Margaret Sanger was absolutely a racist, and I mean a real one. She is greatly admired and fawned upon by Hillary Clinton, and that's a fact.

[Vacuum7]

Why in the name of hell does anyone act surprised that leftist would support unadulterated abortion? It is clear why: 1) Leftist support abortion BECAUSE the babies being aborted are mostly from non-minority sectors of our society so the effect of abortion is such that the decline of the White population assist in giving more leverage to the minority sectors AND enhancing future Democrat vote totals and 2) The left supports euthanasia of the elderly and mentally handicapped and physically handicapped. I know many will take issue with what I said here but those are absolute truths, cold simple facts: Why else would killing White babies be fine but killing minority babies be wrong unless that were the case? Don't want to believe or admit that the left supports euthanasia? Well, how in the name of hell do you explain OBAMA'S BOY, Rahm Emmanuel, and his brother, Dr. Ezekial Emmanuel, being big proponents of Government Sponsored Euthanasia? The left really is O.K. with a lot killing.

[Wondergirl]

1) Leftist support abortion BECAUSE the babies being aborted are mostly from non-minority sectors of our society so the effect of abortion is such that the decline of the White population assist in giving more leverage to the minority sectors AND enhancing future Democrat vote totals

And since the white race rules, and, in particular, white males are supreme, we need to make every effort to bring white fetuses to term;

2) The left supports euthanasia of the elderly and mentally handicapped and physically handicapped.

Sorry, Charlie. Your "argument" is totally bizarre and makes absolutely no sense. The left does NOT support that. I live in a heavily populated area, am old and worthless with a lot of old and worthless friends and acquaintances. I am connected with relatives, friends, and acquaintances in the Northeast, South, Northwest, and Southwest. Never has anyone tossed around the topic of euthanasia of oldsters, etc. In fact, it is very, very difficult to get euthanized.

Euthanasia is illegal in most of the United States. Assisted suicide /assisted death is legal in Washington, D.C. and the states of California, Colorado, Oregon, Vermont, Maine (Starting January 1, 2020), New Jersey, Hawaii, and Washington; its status is disputed in Montana.

And try to sign up for assisted suicide! To begin with, you have to become a legal resident of that state. By the time that happens, you're either already dead or have changed your mind.

[talaniman]

That was a pretty wild statement even for you Vacster!

[jlisenbe]

And since the white race rules, and, in particular, white males are supreme, we need to make every effort to bring white fetuses to term;

An incredible 40% of abortions are performed on black women, so your statement is entirely false. https://www.kff.org/womens-health-po...2:%22asc%22%7D

am old and worthless with a lot of old and worthless friends and acquaintances.

Perhaps the core of our disagreements. There are no worthless human beings.

[Wondergirl]

An incredible 40% of abortions are performed on black women, so your statement is entirely false. Perhaps the core of our disagreements. There are no worthless human beings.

Wow! I'm going to frame that statement! From a righty on top of it!

Perhaps the core of our disagreements. There are no worthless human beings.

Oh, but that's the message I got from V7. Old people are worthless and are being snuffed.

[jlisenbe]

Oh, but that's the message I got from V7. Old people are worthless and are being snuffed.

Actually, my quote came from you. "am old and worthless with a lot of old and worthless friends and acquaintances." That, and your noncommital stance on abortion sort of wraps it up.

[Wondergirl]

Actually, my quote came from you. "am old and worthless with a lot of old and worthless friends and acquaintances." That, and your noncommital stance on abortion sort of wraps it up.

Again, I was responding to V7's comments, using his language, and being a bit droll. Sorry all that went over your head.

[jlisenbe]

Again, I was responding to V7's comments, using his language, and being a bit droll. Sorry all that went over your head.

In other words, you said something that you do not wish to be held responsible for. It was all v7's fault and my fault. How convenient.

[Wondergirl]

In other words, you said something that you do not wish to be held responsible for. It was all v7's fault and my fault. How convenient.

Just giving you a taste of your own medicine. :)

[jlisenbe]

Just giving you a taste of your own medicine. :)

I doubtless need that from time to time.

[Vacuum7]

W.G.: That IS NOT WHAT I SAID....what I said was this: Dr. Ezekial Emmanuel, a leftist and the brother of Obama's favorite guy Rahm Emmanuel, is a big time ambassador for EUTHANASIA and wrote a paper on its virtues that promoted snuffing out older people and handicapped people! Euthanasia is promoted by the left, no doubt about it. I find it really weird that a Jewish man would promote euthanasia after what the Jewish people experienced during WWII but that didn't stop Emmanuel from promoting his vile, dehumanizing views.

[Wondergirl]

W.G.: That IS NOT WHAT I SAID....what I said was this: Dr. Ezekial Emmanuel, a leftist and the brother of Obama's favorite guy Rahm Emmanuel, is a big time ambassador for EUTHANASIA and wrote a paper on its virtues that promoted snuffing out older people and handicapped people! Euthanasia is promoted by the left, no doubt about it. I find it really weird that a Jewish man would promote euthanasia after what the Jewish people experienced during WWII but that didn't stop Emmanuel from promoting his vile, dehumanizing views.

Left or right, can a very ill or disabled person in his/her right mind choose euthanasia? If no, why not?

[jlisenbe]

Left or right, can a very ill or disabled person in his/her right mind choose euthanasia? If no, why not?

Even better questions. When you say euthanasia, don't you actually mean suicide? If a person has to be very ill or disabled, then why wouldn't a healthy person who is sick of living be able to kill him/her self? Why limit it to the sick and disabled?

[talaniman]

Assisted suicide is the term

[jlisenbe]

Assisted suicide is the term

So suicide is OK as long as someone assists you in it? Could a healthy person who is sick of living commit suicide so long as someone assists them?