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Vacuum7 · Dec 13, 2019, 08:12 PM

Talaniman: Now, we agree on this completely: Small Farms have been a target of a "cabal" (lack of a better word, and I don't know who all is in it) that has sought to put them out of business so that larger, no, massive Corporate Farms could take over the production......kind of the same thing that happens when your "Friendly Walmart" comes to town: soon all the smaller stores dry up and blow away.

Like I said, I don't know who all is involved with this plot (don't call me a conspiracy theorist because at this point I think you know its not a theory, its real) but they do have the backing of the Federal Government: and political parties are irrelevant in this because Repubs, Demos, even Libertarian politicians are all on board and complicit in this.

Daddy smelled something bad when the Government started with the aerial surveys of crops and sending Agriculture Agents out to your place to "confirm" your planting.

Food is a God provided resource and, truthfully, it is a very, very STRATEGIC resource that can be used for GOOD or BAD: The fact that food has been weaponized is a sin.....but, I am afraid we have only begun to see how it can be used as a tool of geopolitical leverage...….using food as a means to dominate others is simply wrong......hell, its wrong Biblically.

paraclete · Dec 14, 2019, 01:04 AM

So what do we take from this capitalism is bad?

talaniman · Dec 14, 2019, 03:37 AM

Capitalism isn't bad, people are bad. Capitalism is but a tool, not a god.

tomder55 · Dec 14, 2019, 04:43 AM

The big secret is that the left doesn't believe in socialism (unless someone else is paying for it ) . What they really believe is in Freebeeism . They have a perverse view sorta anti-Kennedy ……. "Ask what your country can do for you.....not what you can do for your country or yourself. " The US is getting there . The Federal Government grown steadily post WWII for over 70 years . Not one agency has been deemed worthy of elimination or even consolidation

even though most of them are still run as conceived even though we don't live in the world of 70 years ago

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Trump wanted to shrink the size of government .One of his ideas was to eliminate the Office of Personal Management ...a useless bureaucracy of 5,500 pay checks that easily could be absorbed by agencies like the GSA or even the White House .

But bi-partisan pressure from Congress has taken it's toll . Congress has moved the proposal to an "independent " study group where the proposal will wither on the vine, This is no longer a Trump priority

It is completely unbelievable and frustrating that even a committed swamp drainer cannot beat the entrenched beltway . I'll say it again , The nations issues will not be fixed by those we send to the swamp .

The states have to take the bull by the horn and force the issue the way the Constitution allows them to
https://www.govexec.com/management/2...merger/161796/

talaniman · Dec 14, 2019, 05:35 AM

I love it when conservatives try to brand liberals as bleeding hearts who want to give away other people's money, while they steal the money for themselves. Legally of course. Stop and think what Grover and the boys really wanted. Control of the money and a smaller government gives them that. They screwed up by getting and even greedier capitalist in the WH who wants a smaller government that HE could control. (Read-steal the money)

His businesses get paid when he takes a break from Washington and goes home to relax at his properties. Government never was the problem, just the people who run it like an ATM machine.

jlisenbe · Dec 14, 2019, 06:12 AM

I love it when conservatives try to brand liberals as bleeding hearts who want to give away other people's money, while they steal the money for themselves.

Amazing how trying to keep your own money instead of paying it into the fed coffers is now considered by some to be "stealing". The reason we try to brand liberals as bleeding hearts who want to give away other people's money is because liberals are bleeding hearts who want to give away other people's money. The motto is, "I feel so strongly about meeting your need that I am willing to force someone else to meet it."

I'll say it again , The nations issues will not be fixed by those we send to the swamp .
The states have to take the bull by the horn and force the issue the way the Constitution allows them to
https://www.govexec.com/management/2...merger/161796/

Glad to see you back, Tom. Your observation is quite accurate. The federal government is far, far too large.

talaniman · Dec 14, 2019, 07:34 AM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Amazing how trying to keep your own money instead of paying it into the fed coffers is now considered by some to be "stealing". The reason we try to brand liberals as bleeding hearts who want to give away other people's money is because liberals are bleeding hearts who want to give away other people's money. The motto is, "I feel so strongly about meeting your need that I am willing to force someone else to meet it."

Says the guy who lives in a state that takes more money from the gubment that it gives.

jlisenbe · Dec 14, 2019, 08:37 AM

Says the guy who lives in a state that takes more money from the gubment that it gives.

Our state doesn't "take" anything. The loonies in the federal government are dumb enough to pass it out like candy, so we have people here happy to cooperate. As far as I'm concerned, they can't stop those programs fast enough.

talaniman · Dec 14, 2019, 09:19 AM

Who are you referring to that cooperates with the feds in this plot to RECEIVE somebody elses money? Surely you don't mean the state government who requests it. Stop what programs your state has running that counts on somebody elses money?

jlisenbe · Dec 14, 2019, 10:08 AM

Who are you referring to that cooperates with the feds in this plot to RECEIVE somebody elses money? Surely you don't mean the state government who requests it. Stop what programs your state has running that counts on somebody elses money?

I'm referring to welfare programs with direct payments to individuals. We have a lot of that. It's your dem friends in past congresses that came up with these programs so I really don't see why you want to complain about it.

As far as that which counts on someone else's money, as I have pointed out to you many times, the wealthy people in this country pay the vast amount of income taxes. It is some of that money that is redirected to welfare programs.

I really don't see why, in a country with an incredibly low unemployment rate of 3.5%, why any person who is healthy in mind and body needs a check from the government.

talaniman · Dec 14, 2019, 04:26 PM

They're called working poor, or disabled, or old and some are able bodied but have been laid off, divorced, sick or kids of those unfortunate folks. I have said not every town or region has 3.5% unemployment, or good paying jobs either. Some of THOSE places with repub governors have waivers for job requirements and many have job training programs but no jobs. I often wonder how welfare can be greater than some of those jobs that's available but yet that does exist.

Vacuum7 · Dec 14, 2019, 04:43 PM

Talaniman: There has never been a BIGGER MONEY GRAB IN U.S. HISTORY THAN IS OBAMA CARE.....that is a fact: Remember, its a TAX and that makes it "legal".....a legal theft.

Tomder55: Watch out when you talk about the "Rights Of States" because the left has labeled the term "States Rights" as being, get this: Racist! I know, its ridiculous but they have tried to draw that parallel.....I say to hell with them: States have some rights to self-determination.

paraclete · Dec 14, 2019, 06:26 PM

What I don't understand and maybe you economic experts can explain it. The unemployment rate improves but the participation rate fell

The labor force participation rate edged down to 63.2 percent from 63.3 percent in October.

By my reading the improvement is only an illusion caused by people leaving the work force not by more people being in employment. Maybe all these good statistics are an illusion. I wonder if there are a lot of low hours and temporary jobs

jlisenbe · Dec 14, 2019, 08:28 PM

LPR fell like a rock under you know who. It has started to edge back up the past few years but is still not close to the 2007 levels.

https://www.bls.gov/charts/employmen...ation-rate.htm

tomder55 · Dec 15, 2019, 04:51 AM

I'll say it again , The nations issues will not be fixed by those we send to the swamp .
The states have to take the bull by the horn and force the issue the way the Constitution allows them to
https://www.govexec.com/management/2...merger/161796/

Glad to see you back, Tom. Your observation is quite accurate. The federal government is far, far too large.

The fewer things that politicians control, the less it matters who is in control

paraclete · Dec 15, 2019, 05:05 AM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

LPR fell like a rock under you know who. It has started to edge back up the past few years but is still not close to the 2007 levels.

https://www.bls.gov/charts/employmen...ation-rate.htm

So the participation rate has limped back a little but it doesn't answer the question, low hours and temporary jobs or maybe the idle rich

jlisenbe · Dec 15, 2019, 06:35 AM

So the participation rate has limped back a little but it doesn't answer the question, low hours and temporary jobs or maybe the idle rich

Anyone who wants a job can get one, and probably two for that matter. Low unemployment and low inflation, yet people whine and complain. Amazing how human nature works. "Let me look for something to complain about."

talaniman · Dec 15, 2019, 07:47 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

The fewer things that politicians control, the less it matters who is in control

Of course I can't agree because when government steps back, rich guys and corporations controls everything and can make the current system of legalized stealing and extraction of wealth even more unequal. As long as you have money in politics then the government will be corrupted.

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Anyone who wants a job can get one, and probably two for that matter. Low unemployment and low inflation, yet people whine and complain. Amazing how human nature works. "Let me look for something to complain about."

It's a matter of NEEDING TWO or THREE jobs just to eat and pay rent and keep the lights on and that's something to look at. Amazing how we ignore the working poor in great economic times of a great country.

jlisenbe · Dec 15, 2019, 08:27 AM

It's a matter of NEEDING TWO or THREE jobs just to eat and pay rent and keep the lights on and that's something to look at. Amazing how we ignore the working poor in great economic times of a great country.

Did you ever work two jobs? I have. I didn't see it as being any great burden, and I don't see why anyone else would look at it that way. Go back and study the Great Depression years. People were happy to have practically anything. The last thing the working poor need is your pity.

talaniman · Dec 15, 2019, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Did you ever work two jobs? I have. I didn't see it as being any great burden, and I don't see why anyone else would look at it that way. Go back and study the Great Depression years. People were happy to have practically anything. The last thing the working poor need is your pity.

Many times, and it's not easy, and it's not pity either but empathy, and huge respect.