[jlisenbe]

The video he was referring to was obvious to everyone on the planet. "Biden bragging at the CFR meeting about withholding aid to the Ukraine to force the firing of the top Ukrainian State Prosecutor." How many times do you think he did that? Good grief.

[Vacuum7]

Digress: About Biden: CAN YOU SAY "DIRTY"! If he said it once about getting the top Ukrainian Prosecutor fired, he said it a bunch! This guy repeats himself constantly....Biden is probably the "OLDEST" man, mentally, of any man you would ever meet for his age. He did a "Quid Pro Quo" with the Ukraine: there can be no doubt about that, either. But I think his boy, Hunter, is a little smarter than his old man, at least once he stopped snorting cocaine up his nostrils (I guess he's stopped? Who knows!): he saw the knife coming and he is trying to pull back from "foreign" business dealings, he says.

I remember when he tried to lynch Justice Thomas during the hearings about Anita Hill: Biden was such a dufus! Judge Thomas came back from a lunch break and broke a cinder block over Biden's incredibly hard head when he said the whole process was racially motivated! Thomas knocked the wind out of Biden, who was grandstanding like a real horse's arse: Biden put his tail between his legs and got really quiet from then on.....That episode let me know all I needed to know about Biden: LOSER!

[jlisenbe]

Vac, I think they are nearly all dirty, at least to some degree. Biden, Trump, Warren, Pelosi, Schiff, Harris, Obama, HC. Which one is not dirty? Sanders might be less so, but he's foolish. Pence is clean, I think. Not sure how efficient he is. Most of them are hiding skeletons, just like most of us.

[jlisenbe]

In related news, black unemployment, at 5.4%, is now at a record low. This is the sixth time that has happened under the Trump administration. I know we will all join in and congratulate him for that fine achievement.

[Vacuum7]

jlisenbe: People have to Give The Devil His Due to Trump for achieving this level of employment! I suspect it will also earn him votes, too.

[Athos]

It's funny how you two have walked back V7's statement that the Ukrainian prosecutor was investigating Biden's son. Funny isn't the best word. More like, pathetic and a clear case of lying.

In a way, I'm glad you did. It encourages me and others to reduce any credence you may have had. Sorry, V7, you're hanging around with the wrong crowd and are being painted with a dirty brush.

[jlisenbe]

It's funny how you two have walked back V7's statement that the Ukrainian prosecutor was investigating Biden's son. Funny isn't the best word. More like, pathetic and a clear case of lying.

Kind of in a nasty mood today? Well, at any rate, I haven't walked anything back. Don't have to since I never said that. In fact, I was very careful NOT to say that. "There is a video showing Biden bragging about getting the prosecutor fired. The reason for the firing is less clear." That is a 100% accurate and truthful statement unlike your statement quoted above.

In a way, I'm glad you did. It encourages me and others to reduce any credence you may have had.

Hmm. Kind of puts the shoe on the other foot now, doesn't it?

[Athos]

I haven't walked anything back. Don't have to since I never said that.

It's simple enough to go back and look. I'll refresh your memory.

I challenged V7 to provide the video he claimed showed Biden bragging about stopping the investigation of his son. Within minutes, you posted a link to a video which showed nothing of the sort. Then why did you post it immediately after my challenge to V7? Kind of suspicious, eh?

[jlisenbe]

It's simple enough to go back and look. I'll refresh your memory.

I challenged V7 to provide the video he claimed showed Biden bragging about stopping the investigation of his son. Within minutes, you posted a link to a video which showed nothing of the sort. Then why did you post it immediately after my challenge to V7? Kind of suspicious.

I posted the link after the post I showed above. I don't defend Vac. That's his job. At any rate, your post above was flatly wrong. End of story.

[talaniman]

In related news, black unemployment, at 5.4%, is now at a record low. This is the sixth time that has happened under the Trump administration. I know we will all join in and congratulate him for that fine achievement.

What was it at the end of Obamas term?

https://cdn.factcheck.org/UploadedFi...-to-2017-1.jpg



Still higher than white unemployment. Still trying to give the dufus ALL the credit as usual. Pretty insulting to black people! Ask me how I know!

[Athos]

I posted the link after the post I showed above.

No you didn't. It came immediately after mine.

//Later - to Tal's chart//
Excellent post, Tal. Gives the lie to the TrUmpites and their constant bragging about black unemployment like they invented it.

[jlisenbe]

Still higher than white unemployment. Still trying to give the dufus ALL the credit as usual. Pretty insulting to black people! Ask me how I know!

Yeah, just like it was during Obama's eight years. I did not give Trump all the credit, but I did give him credit.

Insulting to black people? On what planet would record low black unemployment be insulting to black people??? Are you kidding?

No you didn't. It came immediately after mine.

This was your post you spoke of. "Then provide a link to this so-called video. If not, admit you are wrong." That was addressed to Vac, not to me. But have it anyway you want. The video clearly showed Biden bragging that he had threatened to withhold funds unless Ukraine did what he wanted done. It does not say why. It is just what I said it was.

[Athos]

The video clearly showed Biden bragging that he had threatened to withhold funds unless Ukraine did what he wanted done. It does not say why. It is just what I said it was.

That was not the issue. It never was.

[Vacuum7]

Talaniman: O.K., you want someone to ask you HOW DO YOU KNOW why the low unemployment #'s are insulting to Black people?

Talaniman: Are you a Black man?

[paraclete]

Talaniman: O.K., you want someone to ask you HOW DO YOU KNOW why the low unemployment #'s are insulting to Black people?

Talaniman: Are you a Black man?

Are you complaining blacks are over-represented in unemployment? Are you complaining not enough intention is given to this phenomenon? You will no doubt recall when there was 100% employment of blacks, but then in those days there were other social issues which occupied the mind and I don't think poverty was among them

[talaniman]

Talaniman: O.K., you want someone to ask you HOW DO YOU KNOW why the low unemployment #'s are insulting to Black people?

Talaniman: Are you a Black man?

It's not the number it's an orange guy who takes ALL the credit for events he has done nothing to earn then tells everybody what he has done for you. That's insulting, since black unemployment is still higher than white unemployment like it's always been. Like the previous guy who just left cut the numbers in half and gets NO credit, but you are quick to give it to the dufus NOW. I provided the link before of US unemployment which clearly shows as does the above chart the trend lines were steadily going downward for employment period, so maybe you can say he hasn't screwed that up yet in his 3 years but you cannot say he built THIS economy. If you did your homework, you would also so large swaths of America still have not recovered, or are sluggishly recovering with many ghost towns because mines, plants, and factories are closed, have closed, or will close soon. That's still happening as people transition from one economy to the another.

So yes, a black man would be and is insulted by such rhetoric. The numbers bear that out, and quiet as it's kept, black people aren't the only ones insulted by this lying cheating dufus you give so much credit too, who really can only claim lying, cheating, stealing. and being a big mouth insulting BULLY.

Give him the credit he deserves for that too! Obviously you don't care because you think he is doing it for YOU right?

Are you complaining blacks are over-represented in unemployment? Are you complaining not enough intention is given to this phenomenon? You will no doubt recall when there was 100% employment of blacks, but then in those days there were other social issues which occupied the mind and I don't think poverty was among them

Have no idea what you mean unless you are speaking of the slave days. Everyone is an economic slave here nowadays.

[jlisenbe]

That's insulting, since black unemployment is still higher than white unemployment like it's always been.

So it was also insulting during the eight years of Obama?

Like the previous guy who just left cut the numbers in half and gets NO credit, but you are quick to give it to the dufus NOW.

I give Obama credit for doubling the national debt and producing an economy which did grow slowly.

If you did your homework, you would also so large swaths of America still have not recovered, or are sluggishly recovering with many ghost towns because mines, plants, and factories are closed, have closed, or will close soon.

Was even MORE the case with Obama, but I didn't see you complaining then. Why is it that you complain now, even as records are being set, but didn't complain with Obama? Even now you won't complain about Obama. Why is that?

[talaniman]

So it was also insulting during the eight years of Obama? [QUOTE}

Obama said a rising tide raises all boats, big difference between look what I have done for you!

I give Obama credit for doubling the national debt and producing an economy which did grow slowly.

That's the point it did grow slowly, and in eight years some debt is necessary considering where he started. Look around at the ever growing debt and extrapolate where it will be under the dufus at his pace. What the dufus pays the bills? Show me.

[/QOUTE]Was even MORE the case with Obama, but I didn't see you complaining then. Why is it that you complain now, even as records are being set, but didn't complain with Obama? Even now you won't complain about Obama. Why is that?

Were you here when Obama was the prez? I have often invited you to read those archives before you talk what you don't know, or make stuff up to fit YOUR narrative while not being much on data research or HOMEWORK. I mean you think that stating an obvious FACT is name calling by gosh.

From the link

On September 8, 2017, Trump signed a bill increasing the debt ceiling. Later that day, the debt exceeded $20 trillion for the first time in U.S. history. On February 9, 2018, Trump signed a bill suspending the debt ceiling until March 1, 2019. It was $22 trillion. In just two years,Trump has overseen the fastest dollar increase in the debt of any president.


Trump's Fiscal Year 2020 budget projects the debt would increase $5 trillion during his first term. That's as much as Obama added while fighting a recession. Trump has not fulfilled his campaign promise to cut the debt. Instead, he's done the opposite.

Sooner or later your going to let go of your nose and smell the CURRENT stink yo boy is brewing instead of bashing Obama.

PS notice sometimes my links have embedded links for more DATA.

[jlisenbe]

Were you here when Obama was the prez? I have often invited you to read those archives before you talk what you don't know, or make stuff up to fit YOUR narrative while not being much on data research or HOMEWORK. I mean you think that stating an obvious FACT is name calling by gosh.

I have spoken frequently of Obama. You just don't like all I say. He doubled the national debt. He did stave off economic disaster, though how extreme it was still is in question. He had the weakest post-recession recovery in a hundred years, but the economy did grow slowly in his eight years.

From the link

On September 8, 2017, Trump signed a bill increasing the debt ceiling. Later that day, the debt exceeded $20 trillion for the first time in U.S. history. On February 9, 2018, Trump signed a bill suspending the debt ceiling until March 1, 2019. It was $22 trillion. In just two years,Trump has overseen the fastest dollar increase in the debt of any president.


Trump's Fiscal Year 2020 budget projects the debt would increase $5 trillion during his first term. That's as much as Obama added while fighting a recession. Trump has not fulfilled his campaign promise to cut the debt. Instead, he's done the opposite.
Sooner or later your going to let go of your nose and smell the CURRENT stink yo boy is brewing instead of bashing Obama.

Your data is not correct. Obama had almost 3 tril of def spending his first two years. Trump's first two years were about half of that. But I would agree that he and the dem congress should have their butts kicked for that incredible overspending. Most of that deficit does not come from the tax cuts (about 150 bil a year), but from simply spending way too much money. And if the tax cuts did stimulate the economy, then they could very well end up paying for themselves.

https://www.thebalance.com/us-deficit-by-year-3306306
https://www.thebalance.com/cost-of-t...x-cuts-4586645

As to the current stink, if you're talking about Schiff and Pelosi, then I agree completely. The smell is atrocious.

[talaniman]

You question my data then show your own, that's the way it works as you well know otherwise your making stuff up and you wouldn't want me to think that now would you?

You can boohoo all you want, but as the testimony of credible witnesses parade before the American people the dufus will have to explain himself and his actions for illegally with holding duly process and approved funds for his personal gain, eerie similar to the way he ran his chariity casinos and university SCAMS.

For a president to withhold such funding does require going through a formal process, that includes a formal notification of the congress...oh wait they haven't gotten that far yet..! If you missed the hearings live they can be seen on CSpan.

You didn't study the Mueller Report, haven't followed the transcripts, and won't watch the hearings, but Nancy and Adam suck. My that's an informed opinion. Hard to argue with that! /SARCASM font engaged set at HEAVY and dripping/