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    #201

    Dec 13, 2019, 10:26 AM
    Aside: Thank you for your healing thoughts and prayers. What I have is aplastic anemia (red cell aplasia), the rarest form of anemia. My red blood cells are fewer in number and don't do what they're supposed to do. It can be cured only with stem cells implanted in my bone marrow. (I'm too old to qualify.) Otherwise, occasional transfusions are given until they don't work any longer.
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    #202

    Dec 13, 2019, 12:05 PM
    Wow. Sounds like a tough deal. Sometimes it seems like the price of getting older. You get to stay alive, but have to deal with illness or just plain ole age-related slowing down. Yet we know that God still does miracles and still heals, so that's my prayer for you, and that He will draw you ever nearer to Him.

    Addendum: I'm 66 so I'm not too far behind you.
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    #203

    Dec 14, 2019, 05:50 AM
    "The rabbit-hole went straight on like a tunnel for some way, and then dipped suddenly down, so suddenly that Alice had not a moment to think about stopping herself before she found herself falling down a very deep well."
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    #204

    Dec 14, 2019, 07:53 AM
    Sort of like electing the dufus, known for cheating, and can't believe he is cheating again, even after he gets caught.
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    #205

    Dec 14, 2019, 08:36 AM
    Sort of like electing the dufus, known for cheating,
    Yeah, like we should have elected that paragon of virtue and truth-telling, Hillary "Wipe the Hard Drive Clean" Clinton?
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    #206

    Dec 14, 2019, 09:10 AM
    Lets see now, HC's charity wasn't disbanded and the Clintons weren't barred from charity work, or running college scams and forced to give the money back, or kicked off the federal program for renting to poor people for scamming the government, or barred from borrowing money from most American banks, or even bankrupting a casino, I mean these are all court DOCUMENTED financial FACTS, the dufus actually did this stuff. So yeah you should have voted for HC over the dufus as a simple no brainer, and she could have taken credit for the best economy we ever had, while you tried to impeach HER!

    It's not like you haven't been smearing the woman for decades with NO evidence, or maybe not enough to CHARGE her of anything, let alone convict. You haven't even got her to court to at least cut a deal like the dufus has done many times before and after he was elected. Voting for HC would at least saved you the trouble of rigging the senate to keep the dufus, as Moscow Mitch has announced he was going to do after we lay those articles of impeachment on his lap.

    You righties have always known the fix was in, and counted on it as your only hope, when the dufus was caught lying, cheating, and stealing yet again, so save the fool so he can keep lying cheating and stealing. You need more EVIDENCE that's what he has done, did do, or will do again?
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    #207

    Dec 14, 2019, 10:12 AM
    It's not like you haven't been smearing the woman for decades with NO evidence, or maybe not enough to CHARGE her of anything.
    That's exactly what your dems in the House are doing with Trump, so why are you whining about it?

    As to Clinton, there is no doubt at all that she wiped her hard drive clean and thus destroyed evidence. There is also no doubt that she had classified information on her unsecure, toy email server.

    Anyone ever figure out why the Sec of State would have needed her own personal email server to carry out, among other things, official gov business? Or why she needed to take a hammer and destroy her dozen or so government cell phones? Do we have any answers on that? Do you care, or is it OK with you since she is, after all, a liberal dem?
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    Dec 14, 2019, 11:55 AM
    The Constitution lays out very specific terms for impeachment ;Bribery, Treason, High Crimes, or Misdemeanors. Any article of impeachment that is outside those four crimes is completely unconstitutional.There are no specific crime in the 2 articles of impeachment the toad Nadler crafted .End of discussion . The Dems would like to turn the impeachment process into the Parlimentary vote of no confidence . Sorry you won't get away with it . The Senate will overwhelmingly acquit .

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    “If the federal government should overpass the just bounds of its authority and make a tyrannical use of its powers, the people, whose creature it is, must appeal to the standard they have formed, and take such measures to redress the injury done to the Constitution as the exigency may suggest and prudence justify.” Federalist #33
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    Dec 14, 2019, 11:56 AM
    I will let pass what we are doing to the dufus since no conservative or repub will recognize the presented cause of our concerns either by denial or design (Or BOTH), but after decades of experience with both the right wing and foreign powers like Russia China and Iran she obviously thought it prudent to be responsible for her own privacy and professional electronics, and given the cyber capabilities of stated governments in hackig business and governments it turned out to be wise, and more importantly correct since she not just survived the very public variety of investigations, both personal and professional, and was cleared of wrong doing, unlike the dufus who has been cleared of NOTHING ever.

    Wait a minute, a conservative administration cleared a liberal dem of wrong doing and you're asking me to explain? Explain how conservative investigations going back decades on many allegations have turned up NOTHING on HC after many hats she has worn in service to the country. Heck she sat for 11 hours for a repub hearing so when the dufus has matchhhed that achievement then call me will ya!
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    Dec 14, 2019, 12:15 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    The Constitution lays out very specific terms for impeachment ;Bribery, Treason, High Crimes, or Misdemeanors. Any article of impeachment that is outside those four crimes is completely unconstitutional.There are no specific crime in the 2 articles of impeachment the toad Nadler crafted .End of discussion . The Dems would like to turn the impeachment process into the Parlimentary vote of no confidence . Sorry you won't get away with it . The Senate will overwhelmingly acquit .

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    “If the federal government should overpass the just bounds of its authority and make a tyrannical use of its powers, the people, whose creature it is, must appeal to the standard they have formed, and take such measures to redress the injury done to the Constitution as the exigency may suggest and prudence justify.” Federalist #33
    Under the constitution, abuse of power would easily be found applicable as a high crime, or misdemeanor, and there is nothing as tyrannical as not answering a lawful congressional subpoena, or obstructing the congresses article II oversight responsibility. If what you posted were remotely true Tomder, Moscow Mitch would have said so. They just won't convict because the fix is in, and the outcome has already been rigged and ANNOUNCED. That borders on unlawful in and of itself.

    The process of setting up the guidelines and structure of the senate trial should be interesting too, as contrary to popular belief Moscow man doesn't have unfettered authority and senate dems may hold more power than believed, as much as the WH for sure.
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    #211

    Dec 14, 2019, 12:20 PM
    the dufus who has been cleared of NOTHING ever.
    You are completely wrong. He has no responsibility under law to be cleared of anything. The burden of proof is on the dems who are accusing him. They have completely failed.

    Wait a minute, a conservative administration cleared a liberal dem of wrong doing and you're asking me to explain? Explain how conservative investigations going back decades on many allegations have turned up NOTHING on HC after many hats she has worn in service to the country. Heck she sat for 11 hours for a repub hearing so when the dufus has matchhhed that achievement then call me will ya!
    I'm not accusing her of a crime. I'm just wondering if you have ever thought about those strange circumstances. Why did she need a personal email server? Why did she wipe the hard drive clean? Why did she need to physically destroy about a dozen or so cell phones? Does any of that strike you as STRANGE?
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    Dec 14, 2019, 04:08 PM
    Not nearly as strange as asking Russia if you're listening and suddenly the DNC has been hacked, and even repubs thought it was disgusting at the time, but not the dufus! Nor as strange as Barr spinning the Mueler Report before its release prompting Mueller to write him of his misrepresentation. I also find it very strange that after that whole debacle and the day after Mueller's dry a$$ testimony (Yet FACTUALLY accurate, though criticized for PERFORMANCE) the dufus is asking the Ukraine government for a favor that repubs don't think is strange and wants his political foe's son investigated without one shred of evidence (you know that EVIDENCE thing you insist on?), and outside of official government channels agreed to and ratified by treaty, along with an seeming admission of Ukraine interference in the 2016 election, again with NO evidence of such events. Now that's some strange stuff.

    I wonder how anyone would NOT take extra precaution after 30 years of being a target for EVERYTHING they do and yes a bit strange but not that far from understandable one would CTOA from such allegations and assaults which were rather effective consider everybody that has been hacked over the years.

    Stranger still though was the dufus using those stolen emails to grind the DNC every chance he got, along with the public statements especially in Helsinki standing besides Vlad, yeah some really, really strange,, hard to ignore stuff that just keeps happening. So when I add it up then the dufus has done far more stranger stuff than HC, and where you can be suspicious of any politician, the dufus KEEPS me suspicious and wary all the time. I could list so much more if I cared to remember it all, but my point is clear, the dufus has always done some questionable stuff and continues with questionable stuff. I'll wrap this up with the campaign workers Mueller has sent to jail, and can't help but wonder if he hadn't quit early, right after Barr was named and confirmed AG, who else he would have gone after,

    That's just the stuff we know of and more keeps being revealed. Plus I hate his policies but that's besides the point and totally irrelevant to the strange stuff he does did, and I feel will do some more. Call me liberal, but even a conservative has to see some of this stuff rather strange if not downright suspicious.

    You are completely wrong. He has no responsibility under law to be cleared of anything. The burden of proof is on the dems who are accusing him. They have completely failed.
    No I meant his court settlements as outlined above. He likely won't be convicted in the senate give Moscow Mitch said the fix was in to keep the dufus in office no matter what the dems present.
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    #213

    Dec 14, 2019, 05:00 PM
    Hey, ya'll, been watching the Stock Market lately? How about the Unemployment #'s? How about how Red China is caving to the tariffs? No, you haven't been watching? Wow! Living under a rock or watching the Impeachment fiasco?

    With things going as good as they are in this nation, why in the name of God would anyone want to remove this POTUS?

    It is plainly obvious that removing the POTUS is a wrong move for the country: For the 1st time in the longest time, we are GETTING BETTER AND BETTER, STRONGER AND STRONGER! Why does that bother some of you?
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    #214

    Dec 14, 2019, 05:36 PM
    It is an illusion
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    #215

    Dec 14, 2019, 08:35 PM
    Tal, what a wonderful list of accusations against Trump. Now if you can just demonstrate guilt.
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    #216

    Dec 14, 2019, 08:46 PM
    V7 said: "How about how Red China is caving to the tariffs?"

    Um, China is raising the prices of their goods and raising their own tariffs to be greater than ours. No caving is going on.
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    #217

    Dec 14, 2019, 09:42 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    V7 said: "How about how Red China is caving to the tariffs?"

    Um, China is raising the prices of their goods and raising their own tariffs to be greater than ours. No caving is going on.
    Ok progress now if we could just rid of those stupid tariffs and get back to business
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    #218

    Dec 14, 2019, 10:10 PM
    W.G.: Red China LIFTED tariffs on U.S. soybeans and pork! Even communist slime has to eat......UPSHOT of this: TRUMP IS WINNING, AGAIN!

    How come you don't want to talk about the how the ECONOMY is doing? Remember, one of the left's patron Saint's, James Carville, said during the Lewinsky scandal: "Nobody cares about Impeachment! It's the ECONOMY stupid!"
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    #219

    Dec 15, 2019, 12:02 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Vacuum7 View Post
    W.G.: Red China LIFTED tariffs on U.S. soybeans and pork! Even communist slime has to eat......UPSHOT of this: TRUMP IS WINNING, AGAIN!

    How come you don't want to talk about the how the ECONOMY is doing? Remember, one of the left's patron Saint's, James Carville, said during the Lewinsky scandal: "Nobody cares about Impeachment! It's the ECONOMY stupid!"
    It isn't hard to win when you caused the problem in the first place, all that is happening is that things are going back to the status quo
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    #220

    Dec 15, 2019, 06:37 AM
    Forget it, Vac. I appreciate you trying, but some people are addicted to complaining.

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