[jlisenbe]

Tom let me ask you a question. What would happen if Iran decided that the assassination of Trump was the right move because of his actions, would it be seen as justifiable because he had effectively murdered the Iranian general. Without the due process which you americans prize there cannot be justification.

You're comparing apples with oranges. It's like asking if Hitler would have been justified for trying to kill Roosevelt since, after all, Roosevelt had bombed so many German cities.

[Vacuum7]

Ladies and Gentlemen: Has anybody recollected the show trials of Nuremberg? Was that not an entire B.S. court? Many were hanged with only accusations to support the claims of the Allies. Being a Nazi was enough to get you killed, even though hostilities were over! Now, Solemeini was guilty because he was caught on tape talking about executing another mudering rampage: He was dead to rights guilty! It all comes down to the fact the left has a problem with TRUMP! If Obama killed Solemeini, it would have been the "Greatest Assassination Of All Time"!!! And everyone on here knows it! All the left is ing because TRUMP is decisive and HE DID NOT GO TO WAR, which is what they were hoping he would do because it gave them a glimmer of hope that they could win in Nov. 2020!

[tomder55]

Tom let me ask you a question. What would happen if Iran decided that the assassination of Trump was the right move because of his actions, would it be seen as justifiable because he had effectively murdered the Iranian general.

A question you would not ask under the context of a war. Iran has declared war on the US .General Salami is personally responsible for introducing the road side

explosively formed projectile (

EFP) that killed over 600 US soldiers and maimed thousands more .

In 2004, the Quds Force began flooding Iraq with lethal roadside bombs that the Americans referred to as E.F.P.s, for “explosively formed projectiles.” The E.F.P.s, which fire a molten copper slug able to penetrate armor, began to wreak havoc on American troops, accounting for nearly twenty per cent of combat deaths. E.F.P.s could be made only by skilled technicians, and they were often triggered by sophisticated motion sensors. “There was zero question where they were coming from,” General Stanley McChrystal, who at the time was the head of the Joint Special Operations Command, told me. “We knew where all the factories were in Iran. The E.F.P.s killed hundreds of Americans.”Suleimani’s campaign against the United States

crossed the Sunni-Shiite divide, which he has always been willing to set aside for a larger purpose. Iraqi and Western officials told me that, early in the war, Suleimani encouraged the head of intelligence for the Assad regime to facilitate the movement of Sunni extremists through Syria to fight the Americans. In many cases, Al Qaeda was also allowed a degree of freedom in Iran as well. Crocker told me that in May, 2003, the Americans received intelligence that Al Qaeda fighters in Iran were preparing an attack on Western targets in Saudi Arabia. Crocker was alarmed. “They were there, under Iranian protection, planning operations,” he said. He flew to Geneva and passed a warning to the Iranians, but to no avail; militants bombed three residential compounds in Riyadh, killing thirty-five people, including nine Americans.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...adow-commander


Since when is targeting an enemy commander in war a matter of due process ? Was it wrong to target kill Yamamoto ,the commander who planned and executed Pearl Harbor ??? You are making the same mistake the Democrats are making here . It is a legitimate issue to question the strategic implications of the decision. It is not legit to question the legality or the legitimacy of the President who is commander in Chief to make that call .

[jlisenbe]

Good reasoning, Tom.

[paraclete]

A question you would not ask under the context of a war. Iran has declared war on the US .General Salami is personally responsible for introducing the road side

explosively formed projectile (

EFP) that killed over 600 US soldiers and maimed thousands more .


https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...adow-commander


Since when is targeting an enemy commander in war a matter of due process ? Was it wrong to target kill Yamamoto ,the commander who planned and executed Pearl Harbor ??? You are making the same mistake the Democrats are making here . It is a legitimate issue to question the strategic implications of the decision. It is not legit to question the legality or the legitimacy of the President who is commander in Chief to make that call .

On the contrary, legitimacy is the question. You say the man is guilty by his own words, the same could be said of Trump who threatens death and destruction every other day. Trump has bombed the territory of other nations. Just because you think american stands above other nations doesn't make the acts of its leader legitimate. I'm not saying the Iranian general didn't need to be brought to account, but he doesn't stand alone, he too has a chief who endorses his acts

[talaniman]

Several presidents and the Mossad have declined in the past to off this guy when they had the chance. Would that have changed things any? I very much doubt it in the contexts of the Iranian asymetrical strategy. The deed is done and the Iranians shot their missles and officially washed their hands of the matter. They still have the asymetrical war network and strategy in place just ready to continue at the next level. They still have all the tools in the box they had before and with a more focused purpose that even those that called for reforms and the ouster of the mullahs can get with. So what was really accomplished here? They have another martyr, and we are still left with the dufus and what he will do next, since doesn't look like a war with Iran. You think he will try again?

Back to impeachment, the commercial break is over. Look for more documents against the dufus to emerge as Moscow Mitch pushes for the trial to start. He said he has the votes to start without charges or committing to witnesses. Will he though? Will the congress buy the excuses from the dufus that there was an imminent threat so an assassination was the only option to stop it? Will the dufus be knee deep in his trial when he gives his state of the union address?

Now that should be a wild ride if he is.

[paraclete]

Tell me Tal how much of a threat was the shooting down of a Ukrainian air liner. I think it says, this is a no fly zone for friends of america

[jlisenbe]

So what was really accomplished here? They have another martyr, and we are still left with the dufus and what he will do next, since doesn't look like a war with Iran. You think he will try again?

Maybe we should try foolishly giving them billions of dollars in cash. No, wait. Obama already did that.

Back to impeachment, the commercial break is over. Look for more documents against the dufus to emerge as Moscow Mitch pushes for the trial to start.

So we're back again to, "charges first and evidence second". "You just wait until tomorrow and see what damaging evidence we'll come up with!" People are beginning to get tired of that old song.

[Vacuum7]

Paraclete: No evidence that the Ukrainian Airliner was shot down.

Trump isn't at all worried about Impeachment....he isn't worried about whether the Senate Trial happens or doesn't happen...Trump doesn't worry about the Democrats...Trump is focused on the health of the U.S. Economy and, despite all the nonsense spouted out by the left that WWIII was fixing to start yesterday, the DOW hit another record! You aren't stopping the TRUMP TRAIN, no matter what the left does: He is too tough, too fast, and too smart. The left has met their match in Trump.

[talaniman]

It's normal and the way the law works is charges are brought, and a trial follows, and that's what we have. A trial determines guilt and innocence. Repubs couldn't rig the investigation after the House changed hands so crying foul and rallying around the leader is all they have left.

[jlisenbe]

It's normal and the way the law works is charges are brought, and a trial follows, and that's what we have. A trial determines guilt and innocence. Repubs couldn't rig the investigation after the House changed hands so crying foul and rallying around the leader is all they have left.

Try going to court to bring charges against someone with no substantial evidence and see if you end up with a trial happening.

[talaniman]

In this instance we have charges and are going to trial. The dems make their case or they don't but America will be watching and rendering their own judgements. I'm cool with that.

[Vacuum7]

Talaniman: We may NOT BE GOING TO TRIAL: Pelosi has presented any Articles Of Impeachment....The whole Impeachment issue may be dismissed....pissing away a lot of taxpayer money and Trump still get reelected....WHAT A WASTE of time, money, and effort....and Adam Schiff still won't be liked!

[Wondergirl]

Talaniman: We may NOT BE GOING TO TRIAL: Pelosi has presented any Articles Of Impeachment....The whole Impeachment issue may be dismissed....pissing away a lot of taxpayer money and Trump still get reelected....WHAT A WASTE of time, money, and effort....and Adam Schiff still won't be liked!

Yes, we will go to trial.

[paraclete]

Yes can we get on with it

[jlisenbe]

Pelosi is still napping. Once she gets up, it'll be underway.

[Wondergirl]

Pelosi is still napping. Once she gets up, it'll be underway.

Nope, she's waiting for Moscow Mitch to get real.

[paraclete]

procrastination, it is a wonderful tool, but Trump didn't fall for it

[jlisenbe]

It's just an attempted power grab. Someone needs to tell Miss Nancy that she is not in the Senate.

[talaniman]

Typical right wing hollering points as just like the dufus can do as he pleases, and Moscow Mitch does as he pleases, how you wingers balk at Nancy for doing as she pleases.