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    #261

    Dec 17, 2019, 06:54 PM
    Yeah. Having a cup of coffee is a much better idea.
    Yes I think I'll do that now, it would be more interesting than arguing back and forth
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    #262

    Dec 17, 2019, 06:59 PM
    it would be more interesting than arguing back and forth
    Very true.
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    #263

    Dec 17, 2019, 07:06 PM
    Prosecutors interview witness after witness all the time and have you ever heard of any suspect saying NO to interviews and subpoenas? I mean 17 people smelling a stank cannot and should not be ignored, unless you think the president is above the law.

    Plus it bothers me a guy can write a book, but not testify before the congress. His characterization of the whole mess was a drug deal. I want to know how he arrived at that conclusion. Getting an ambassador fired for corruption or whatever as part of a scheme by Rudy and his thug goons working for that Firtash guy is highly suspicious to me? You and repubs don't seem to bothered by that though.
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    #264

    Dec 17, 2019, 07:09 PM
    We just need a few more weeks, a few more witnesses, or a few more millions of dollars. Sorry, but enough is enough.
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    Dec 17, 2019, 07:19 PM
    Don't expect dems to listen to you. Moscow Mitch just had a hissy fit because Schumer went public calling for witnesses. This is after MM went on Fox saying he will work with the WH on this impeachmet thing. I'll let you know when enough is enough after we impeach the dufus.

    Nearly half the country agrees with me!
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    Dec 17, 2019, 08:07 PM
    Don't expect dems to listen to you. Moscow Mitch just had a hissy fit because Schumer went public calling for witnesses. This is after MM went on Fox saying he will work with the WH on this impeachmet thing. I'll let you know when enough is enough after we impeach the dufus.

    Nearly half the country agrees with me!
    He will not be convicted and he will likely be reelected, possibly in a landslide. If that happens, then we'll see what you think then.
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    #267

    Dec 18, 2019, 05:03 AM
    Pretty optimistic of you, fair enough and a worst case scenerio for me. Losing the House and failing to take the senate, and keeping the dufus is the absolute worst thing for me, and our country. It's a long way off and much can happen between then and now.

    I don't see a landslide though, but I've screwed up before. I would hate to even think the dufus and repubs get rewarded for such incompetent feckless behavior no matter what the economy is doing. Thank you Mr. Obama for doing a much better job than some give you credit for.
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    #268

    Dec 18, 2019, 05:28 AM
    To keep giving credit to Obama as the savior of our economy is getting long in the tooth, especially when it isn't true: Look at the STOCK MARKET! All of the left's dire predictions of doom and gloom are about the impending GREAT DEPRESSION II are also turning out to be B.S.!

    It is very easy to see the difference between the Demos and the Repubs (since that is ALL WE HAVE TO SEE BECAUSE THEY KILL OF 3RD PARTY CONTENDERS!):
    1) Demos - Glass is half-empty
    2) Repubs - Glass is half-full
    3) Demos - The day is Partly Cloudy
    4) Repubs - The day is Partly Sunny
    5) Demos - Lets concentrate on INVESTIGATIONS
    6) Repubs - Lets concentrate on the ECONOMY
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    #269

    Dec 18, 2019, 06:15 AM
    Let me know when you find someone who is strong enough to rise to the challenge despite the opposition. Until then independents can make their own decisions with the choices we have. Stop playing victim and making excuses why you don't have what you want. Seems a fertile ground for a 3rd party given both dems and repubs only represent a little more than half the country combined. 60% to be correct.

    Let me know when you find such a person.
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    #270

    Dec 18, 2019, 11:40 AM
    Read em and weep. Latest polling data by Quinnipiac shows the following:

    In today's poll, 45 percent say President Trump should be impeached and removed from office, while 51 percent don't think so. However, opposition to impeachment has increased since the hearings began. Prior to the start of impeachment hearings, in an October 23 poll, support for impeachment was 48 - 46 percent.

    Today, Republicans say President Trump should not be impeached from office 95 - 5 percent, independents say the president should not be impeached and removed from office 58 - 36 percent, while Democrats say President Trump should be impeached and removed from office 86 - 11 percent.


    The polling is definitely swinging Trump's way.

    https://poll.qu.edu/national/release...ReleaseID=3652

    Might want to look at this as well. Congressional job approval rating is now 22% approve and 65% disapprove. The republicans have to be licking their chops.

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...roval-903.html
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    #271

    Dec 18, 2019, 12:40 PM
    Congressional job approval rating is now 22% approve and 65% disapprove. The republicans have to be licking their chops.
    Why would republicans be licking their chops?
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    #272

    Dec 18, 2019, 01:22 PM
    Also of note from your link,

    On other issues related to impeachment, voters say:
    • 53 - 44 percent that the president abuses the power of his office;
    • 52 percent that the president was pursuing his own personal interest in his dealings with Ukraine to 40 percent that he was pursuing the national interest;
    • 48 - 40 percent that President Trump held up military aid to Ukraine because he wanted the Ukrainian president to announce investigations that would benefit Trump politically;
    • 48 - 44 percent that the president has committed any crimes while in office.

    Nearly two thirds, 64 percent, say it is not acceptable for the President of the United States to ask a foreign leader to investigate a political rival, while 23 percent say it is acceptable.
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    #273

    Dec 18, 2019, 02:18 PM
    All of your data above is true enough, and yet the majority of Americans are against impeachment. Interesting.

    WG, the repubs are licking their chops with the tide of impeachment going against the dems and the favorable ratings for Congress so low, then it all spells success for Trump's reelection and repubs regaining control of the House. However, the winds of politics are fickle.
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    #274

    Dec 18, 2019, 02:42 PM
    It would help if elected repubs weren't so afraid of the dufus and would restrain his worst impulses. Like a pit bull owner allowing his mutt to run buck wild through the neighborhood terrorizing everybody and barking all night! That's no good.
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    #275

    Dec 18, 2019, 03:18 PM
    They're just following the example of the dems with Obama.
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    #276

    Dec 18, 2019, 03:28 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    They're just following the example of the dems with Obama.
    Please don't deflect but honestly respond to tal's wondering why the elected repubs are "so afraid of the dufus and [don't] restrain his worst impulses."
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    #277

    Dec 18, 2019, 03:32 PM
    so afraid of the dufus and [don't] restrain his worst impulses."
    His claim is speculative and thus does not merit a response. And it is not deflecting to point out his hypocrisy in wanting repubs to do what he did not do, and will still not do, with Obama.

    Hope you are feeling better.
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    #278

    Dec 18, 2019, 04:29 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    His claim is speculative and thus does not merit a response. And it is not deflecting to point out his hypocrisy in wanting repubs to do what he did not do, and will still not do, with Obama.
    If trump isn't reelected in 2020 and if the Senate remains Republican but loses their dear leader, there goes all that influence and money. The party will crash and burn.
    Hope you are feeling better.
    Thanks for asking. Nope. I hope my hematologist will be able to snap me out of this horrible sludgy feeling soon.
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    #279

    Dec 18, 2019, 05:34 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    His claim is speculative and thus does not merit a response. And it is not deflecting to point out his hypocrisy in wanting repubs to do what he did not do, and will still not do, with Obama.

    Hope you are feeling better.
    There is no comparison between the words, actions, and behaviors of Obama and the dufus. Such a comparison only makes the dufus look worse. Obama did lose the House and senate, and so far the dufus lost the House and we will see about the rest. However the dems will do their job, and the senate will do theirs even though we sort of know they won't. Personally, I don't care what repubs do in the senate...that's on them, and the chips will fall where they fall. Should be interesting though.
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    #280

    Dec 18, 2019, 06:04 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    There is no comparison between the words, actions, and behaviors of Obama and the dufus. Such a comparison only makes the dufus look worse. Obama did lose the House and senate, and so far the dufus lost the House and we will see about the rest. However the dems will do their job, and the senate will do theirs even though we sort of know they won't. Personally, I don't care what repubs do in the senate...that's on them, and the chips will fall where they fall. Should be interesting though.
    Nah, more important fish to fry than Trump and have you noticed, Xi, Kim and Khomeini are quiet, it is as though there is a hushed silence as they if don't add to Trump's burdens

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