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    #581

    Jan 21, 2020, 03:51 PM
    Yeah we heard him brag about his relief
    at firing Comey, and beetch about his AG Sessions recusing himself and Mueller being assigned by the next guy, and the heads started to roll. Yeah f
    iring all those guys would be sort of suspicious in my book, even if he has the authority to fire anyone whether he appoints them or not. Like he can recall an ambassador too, especially if she gets in the way of his back channel re election scheme. The problem with all that power is it can be abused and that's exactly where we are at. You need more evidence than Rudy and Parnas shenanigans?
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    #582

    Jan 21, 2020, 04:04 PM
    You need more evidence than Rudy and Parnas shenanigans?
    Yeah. All those rumors should certainly be enough to prove Trump guilty beyond a reasonable doubt??? Like I've been saying, take that trash into a court and see how long it takes a judge to reprimand you big time and throw your "case" out of court.
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    #583

    Jan 21, 2020, 04:13 PM
    They aren't rumors, they are allegations and made for a court of law, or a trial in the senate. Ask ANY prosecutor.
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    #584

    Jan 21, 2020, 05:02 PM
    allegations based on rumour, hearsay, which would not be admitted as evidence in a court of law
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    #585

    Jan 21, 2020, 05:04 PM
    They aren't rumors, they are allegations
    I hope you realize what a funny statement that is.
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    #586

    Jan 21, 2020, 06:57 PM
    LOL, a real court would have allowed the interview of suspects and witnesses BEFORE a trial. Imagine a mob boss telling a cop he can't interview his henchmen in connection with a crime. Imagine a suspect or witness IGNORING a subpoena and not get picked up by the cops. Does THAT happen in real life?

    Why is it allowed to happen NOW? Have repubs and conservatives abandoned the LAW? Or do they think the dufus is above the law?
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    #587

    Jan 21, 2020, 07:05 PM
    Why is it allowed to happen NOW?
    Because of this pesky thing called the Constitution.
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    #588

    Jan 21, 2020, 07:23 PM
    https://www.history.com/news/foreign...unding-fathers


    That's my take what's yours?
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    #589

    Jan 21, 2020, 07:36 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    So the founding fathers placed impeachment in the constitution to guard against foreign influence and Trump is impeached for influencing a foreign government, sounds backwards to me, or just plain opportunistic
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    #590

    Jan 21, 2020, 07:56 PM
    It's illegal to involve another government into a US election. He got away with "Russia if you're listening...", and so came back with "do us a favor..." to the Ukrainians. Not so hard to understand Clete. Common sense.
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    #591

    Jan 21, 2020, 08:05 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Common sense.
    Common sense is what is sadly lacking in this whole business. The Dems speak about facts and the Repubs reply with "process". Some Repubs are looking at their shoes as they hear the truth.
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    #592

    Jan 21, 2020, 09:16 PM
    Common sense isn't very common and certainly not in congress
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    #593

    Jan 21, 2020, 10:23 PM
    I find it disturbing the prez's men keep lying about the prez and repubs were shut out of the House process. Don't they know the invitation to the dufus and his lawyer were made public, as was his decline? Don't repubs know that we know they were in the depositions and hearings and had the same time to answer questions as dems did?

    Why are they LYING still?
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    #594

    Jan 21, 2020, 10:25 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    I find it disturbing the prez's men keep lying about the prez and repubs were shut out of the House process. Don't they know the invitation to the dufus and his lawyer were made public, as was his decline? Don't repubs know that we know they were in the depositions and hearings and had the same time to answer questions as dems did?

    Why are they LYING still?
    because it was a Star chamber, a Kangaroo court
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    #595

    Jan 21, 2020, 11:12 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    I find it disturbing the prez's men keep lying about the prez and repubs were shut out of the House process. Don't they know the invitation to the dufus and his lawyer were made public, as was his decline? Don't repubs know that we know they were in the depositions and hearings and had the same time to answer questions as dems did?

    Why are they LYING still?

    That's the $64,000 question. Nadler gave a fact-filled presentation with video of witness testimony, official documents and overwhelming evidence of wrongdoing by Trump. His lawyers, Cippolone and Sekulow, gave disastrous rebuttals saying not a word about the facts but accusing Nadler of bad behavior and not being nice. You had to see it to believe it.

    It's true that Trump can't get top-flight legal help because he doesn't pay his bills.
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    Jan 22, 2020, 07:38 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    because it was a Star chamber, a Kangaroo court
    Are you saying repubs who have full control of everything, are running a kangaroo court? I find it amazing that after all this time neither the dufus nor repubs has answered the allegations, just hollered how unfair, or untrue the dems allegations are, and the unfair way the conducted their inquiry, which we KNOW for FACT to be an out and out flat a$$ LIE, while the dufus did everything he could think of to block any information whatsoever. No documents, no witnesses, no testimony.

    Instead he has used the entire repub party to engage in the biggest smear campaign ever mounted against the dems. This is after 17 members of the dufus administration have given testimony both behind closed doors and in public hearings about the corruption they witnessed while in his employ. Amazing they have all said the same thing. 17 of them who went against the dufus's blanket orders and under oath to tell the truth. LOL Clete, I do know for fact neither you or JL has reviewed any of the documentation beginning with the Mueller Report to even put forth an informed opinion of the facts of the case that dems have pursued against the dufus so I can dismiss both your opinion of a kangaroo court, and his protests of no evidence very easily.

    Unless of course your sarcasm font is on the blink. Darn font never works when you want it to.

    Quote Originally Posted by Athos View Post
    That's the $64,000 question. Nadler gave a fact-filled presentation with video of witness testimony, official documents and overwhelming evidence of wrongdoing by Trump. His lawyers, Cippolone and Sekulow, gave disastrous rebuttals saying not a word about the facts but accusing Nadler of bad behavior and not being nice. You had to see it to believe it.

    It's true that Trump can't get top-flight legal help because he doesn't pay his bills.
    Robert's slapped both sides for incivility, but never said a darn thing about the obvious LIES. Not mistruths, but bald face verifiable LIES! Isn't there a law against lying in a court or to the congress?
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    #597

    Jan 22, 2020, 01:26 PM
    Not mistruths, but bald face verifiable LIES! Isn't there a law against lying in a court or to the congress?
    I'm glad you're finally beginning to see the ways of the dems.
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    #598

    Jan 22, 2020, 01:53 PM
    No Tal, I meant as you well know that the House had conducted a star chamber examination
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    #599

    Jan 22, 2020, 02:28 PM
    . He got away with "Russia if you're listening..."
    That's the best you got ? That of course was an ironic throw away line to mock how the FBI colluded to cover up evidence of the disappearance of Evita's and the DNCs emails. But you already knew that . You don't believe for one second that on national tv Trump would ask Russia to interfere in the election .You are not that naïve even if the Dems think you are .

    Don't they know the invitation to the dufus and his lawyer were made public, as was his decline?
    When was that 70 days after the Dems began holding hearings in the Capitol basement ?
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    Jan 22, 2020, 02:58 PM
    When was that 70 days after the Dems began holding hearings in the Capitol basement ?
    Yeah. They should try that in something other than the previous kangaroo court setting. "Your Honor, we, the prosecution, have now decided to allow the defendant to have counsel present in the courtroom during the last 10% of this trial." See how far that would get you.

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