[jlisenbe]

corruption without a shred of evidence, just allegations.

So Trump wanted to used the same strategy that the House dems used for impeachment, or that the Senate dems used against Kavanaugh? Fascinating.

[tomder55]

Dems looked pretty stupid and incompetent didn't they! No doubt the dufus will point that out during his campaign rally tonight at the SOTU address.

"Siri, show me what Democrats will do if they run America's economy and healthcare system"

[Vacuum7]

tomder55: TRUMP WON IOWA....PERIOD! And he will win in November by a landslide.

[talaniman]

"Siri, show me what Democrats will do if they run America's economy and healthcare system"

Past performance by Clinton and Obama indicates either a slow steady growing healthy economy that may balance the budget, and expanding Medicaid to cover more poor people, and upgrade private health insurance coverage for consumers. Historical fact already. You knew that though didn't you?

Machin and Murkowski are wanting the dufus censured as an appropriate action for his bad behavior.

[tomder55]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7vtWB4owdE

I cant blame Manchin he's trying to keep a Dem seat in the state where all the Dems are promising to kill the jobs in the state . He has to walk on egg shells . What you will see tomorrow is a bi-partisan vote to acquit.

[jlisenbe]

Past performance by Clinton and Obama indicates either a slow steady growing healthy economy that may balance the budget,

In what universe did you find that Obama balanced the budget? You were, however, correct about the slow growing economy.

and expanding Medicaid to cover more poor people, and upgrade private health insurance coverage for consumers. Historical fact already. You knew that though didn't you?

And you do remember that he did it by lying about us being able to keep our doctors and our current health policies? Historical facts?

[Wondergirl]

And you do remember that he did it by lying about us being able to keep our doctors and our current health policies? Historical facts?

My son was able to keep his doctor. You couldn't keep yours?

[talaniman]

In what universe did you find that Obama balanced the budget? You were, however, correct about the slow growing economy.

And you do remember that he did it by lying about us being able to keep our doctors and our current health policies? Historical facts?

Read it again dude, I said Obama AND Clinton, the last dem presidents, though I left off Carter. Obama didn't lie you can keep your doctors if the doctors AND your insurances companies agree. Most did many didn't and some junk insurances that may have been affordable for premiums didn't cover some things that were needed any way...rip offs so while not perfect, better than it was for poor under insured folks for sure.

Slow and study works for me as Obama's growth numbers are comparable to the dufus's so far as well as job creation and unemployment so for all the dufus bragging the trend lines are very similar. Obama Care was for Medicaid expansion and private insurance customers. 85% of insured Americans saw no changes.

I thought you had employer provided insurance? Most of those folks that can keep their kids on their policies and get insurance despite having a pre existing condition are happy as a lark.

[tomder55]

My son was able to keep his doctor. You couldn't keep yours?

I was not able to keep my health plan and now I have a constant battle for pre-authorization of medicines and procedures AND my out of pocket expenses have risen dramatically .

[talaniman]

I thought you had that employer provided stuff too.

[tomder55]

Employers do not ,nor can they provide 100 % of the cost of insuring their employees anymore . My employer takes a big hit by assisting in the coverage of over 600 employees . But the costs are prohibitive and it does affect hiring practices .Every employee benefit is a cost calculation when it comes to hiring . There is a ton of negotiations behind the scene every year and seemingly every year there have been changes to the insurance since Obamacare than impacts the employees and the employer's bottom line.

[jlisenbe]

That Obama lied about the details of his health care proposal is a simple matter of history. https://conservative-daily.com/2014/...p-your-doctor/

[talaniman]

Employers do not ,nor can they provide 100 % of the cost of insuring their employees anymore . My employer takes a big hit by assisting in the coverage of over 600 employees . But the costs are prohibitive and it does affect hiring practices .Every employee benefit is a cost calculation when it comes to hiring . There is a ton of negotiations behind the scene every year and seemingly every year there have been changes to the insurance since Obamacare than impacts the employees and the employer's bottom line.

That's always been the case as health insurances cost have always gone up, NEVER down, and I remember very well the years of union contracts we signed that brought us better benefits at the costs of higher wages. It's actually cheaper to pay overtime rather than add employees, and robots are the best workers. Not good for a man needing a job in modern factories, but I know well those long negotiations. There is another factor you should be aware of Tom, as us boomer retire and need our meds for our old folk conditions, as the biggest population group our bills will get bigger too. It's VERY complex, with many factors but no worries, the dufus is dismantling Obama Care in small pieces but costs are still going to rise and good luck making it better.

Insurance companies AND big pharma have always had CONTROL over policies and the bottom line rules. Who pays for all those drug commercials and ads?

That Obama lied about the details of his health care proposal is a simple matter of history. https://conservative-daily.com/2014/...p-your-doctor/

Throw those loony right wing rant rags out and get with the sites with facts and data. Your mind is closed to facts, evidence and the truth anyway and I suppose repeating right wing talking points is a lot easier than the critical thinking required for informed analysis.

[jlisenbe]

So you have some facts and data? I would be happy to look at them. Just bear in mind that an opinion is not facts/data, and a link to nowhere is not facts/data.

[talaniman]

We have a great archive as I have said before! Pretty good discussion back then. Start browsing around page 6, which is about 2009 and work your way forward. The archive link is at the bottom of every page.

[jlisenbe]

If you want to post something, then do it. I'm not going to dig around the dusty archives looking for what I don't think is there to begin with.

[talaniman]

It's not a homework assignment dude, but I thought it would interest you and you would just browse at your leisure.

[paraclete]

OK can we put this one to rest now, Trump accuitted only one Republican, republican lite, thought Trump had abused power, So the Congress is not all powerful, in fact, has had its wings clipped

Blow the man down, blow the man down, what does it take to blow the man down? new demonrat rally song

[Vacuum7]

Paraclete: NOBODY, from Red China to France to Germany or even the U.S. House Of Representatives, is going to push this POTUS around: If no one believed that before, they ought to believe it now.

And, if I was on the side that has been slinging sh$t sandwiches at Trump for the past three years (more, the conspiracy started BEFORE he got into Office), I would be getting prepared for payback from Trump: You can't abuse a man like Trump and not expect retaliation...guy is German, its guaranteed.

[paraclete]

Paraclete: NOBODY, from Red China to France to Germany or even the U.S. House Of Representatives, is going to push this POTUS around: If no one believed that before, they ought to believe it now.

And, if I was on the side that has been slinging sh$t sandwiches at Trump for the past three years (more, the conspiracy started BEFORE he got into Office), I would be getting prepared for payback from Trump: You can't abuse a man like Trump and not expect retaliation...guy is German, its guaranteed.

Revenge is a dish best served cold