[paraclete]

The dufus sure doesn't have a clue either so we are screwed.

How can the screwer become the screwee? Events far away have little impact on you, thus Trump can play with his toy soldiers

[Vacuum7]

Trump has no desire to keep soldiers in the M.E., at least that is what he says: I wish he would follow-through with his wish of bringing them all back home! Enough is enough, the M.E., the whole region, and everything about it, is all so POINTLESS!

[jlisenbe]

the M.E., the whole region, and everything about it, is all so POINTLESS!

That's true in many ways. We tend to not mind our own business too often. However, the future continuance of Israel is not pointless.

[paraclete]

That's true in many ways. We tend to not mind our own business too often. However, the future continuance of Israel is not pointless.

So you intend to protect Israel no matter what the cost, I wonder if Israel would be so quick to come to your aid. You are captive to Israeli (jewish) foreign policy thus your adventurism in the ME.

[jlisenbe]

So you intend to protect Israel no matter what the cost,

I believe we should be prepared to exert great effort in defending Israel.

I wonder if Israel would be so quick to come to your aid.

I don't know, nor do I know if Australia would come to our aid. I am convinced I would rather depend on Israel than on Australia, but perhaps that is not correct.

You are captive to Israeli (jewish) foreign policy thus your adventurism in the ME.

Strictly your opinion. Israel's general position in the ME is trying to stay alive. They have shown no interest in conquering large areas of land. They have fought no wars of annihilation against their neighbors. Can their neighbors say the same???

[paraclete]

I believe we should be prepared to exert great effort in defending Israel.

If they are attacked you will no doubt do that

I don't know, nor do I know if Australia would come to our aid. I am convinced I would rather depend on Israel than on Australia, but perhaps that is not correct.

I think you might find us the better bet and some capability. We have stood side by side in every conflict in the last century and there is the Anzus Treaty

Strictly your opinion. Israel's general position in the ME is trying to stay alive. They have shown no interest in conquering large areas of land. They have fought no wars of annihilation against their neighbors. Can their neighbors say the same???

Seriously not interested in their neighbours who appear to be despots anyway. The only one with any real capability and will is Iran and I seriously don't know what their problem is. Israel won't go on conquest because it would bring enemies down on them and the US may not support them, anyway they have enough problems with the Palestinians as they play out their version of manifest destiny

[talaniman]

That last sentence says it all Clete. That's how everybody handles things in the world. Just keep building and pushing the undesirables out.

[paraclete]

Yes Tal sooner or later someone will get the message

[talaniman]

I think humans get the message that the strong kick the weak around, and designate what is desirable.

[paraclete]

I think humans get the message that the strong kick the weak around, and designate and what is desirable.

Yes I can see why you have that opinion. Where I come from we don't do that, have we evolved, do you think? I think it comes from not being fed a steady diet of B/S, but then it is hard to keep it out

[talaniman]

To be honest I think some of you Aussies want to be civilized and some have evolved, but no higher on the ladder than the rest of us. Be it Aussie BS, or American BS it's still BS, and only the slightly evolve know that. So do you think you have evolved, or in denial yo' crap is stinky too?

I know my crap stinks, therefore I have evolved enough to flush twice! Not for you, but for ME!

[paraclete]

To be honest I think some of you Aussies want to be civilized and some have evolved, but no higher on the ladder than the rest of us. Be it Aussie BS, or American BS it's still BS, and only the slightly evolve know that. So do you think you have evolved, or in denial yo' crap is stinky too?

I know my crap stinks, therefore I have evolved enough to flush twice! Not for you, but for ME!

And to think I just defended you. Well I had better get out my portable bulldozer because I'm sure to cop some now

[talaniman]

Now Clete, don't be so sensitive. Of course we have a lot more BS than you Aussies do! We have way more asses to wipe too, and we have the biggest BSer in history leading a BS administration! So you Aussies shouldn't be complacent and think you have evolved beyond the BS, you don't have enough of it yet for it to be the problem it is here. Just take my well intentioned suggestion and forget the bulldozer, and just flush twice!

Moving BS from one place to another doesn't hide the stink, but flushing twice does wonders. Now that's evolving! Why do you think JL held his nose and voted for the BSer in chief we have now? He knew what was coming. Now we all must hold our noses whether we want to or not!

[paraclete]

Now Clete, don't be so sensitive. Of course we have a lot more BS than you Aussies do! We have way more asses to wipe too, and we have the biggest BSer in history leading a BS administration! So you Aussies shouldn't be complacent and think you have evolved beyond the BS, you don't have enough of it yet for it to be the problem it is here. Just take my well intentioned suggestion and forget the bulldozer, and just flush twice!

Moving BS from one place to another doesn't hide the stink, but flushing twice does wonders. Now that's evolving! Why do you think JL held his nose and voted for the BSer in chief we have now? He knew what was coming. Now we all must hold our noses whether we want to or not!

I'm not being sensitive Tal, just pointing out the irony. We have a particular brand of B/S here typified by Rudd, Gillard and Shorten, each one what you would call closet communists, what passes for our left, but none of them have any power, they have passed from the scene and are the past. You see the public get a little sick of leftist B/S because, as you pointed out, it stinks and they haven't built a WC big enough to get rid of the stench.

I think something similar happened over there, but you are not a people of firm resolve and may need another lesson

[Vacuum7]

Paraclete: The pendulum swings.....if it goes left, it will eventually go right. If you follow NATURAL LAW and THE LAWS OF NATURE, you understand that it is more natural for people, any people the world over, to gravitate to their "Pack", which connotes NATIONALISTIC feelings in the people of a given country. While the U.S. supports the notion of the Hyphenated American, in the end we are all AMERICANS.....The ethnicities of the U.S., while they may and moan when given any attention, would never consider going back to the lands of which they came....the idea that they would is entirely laughable. The deeper NATIONALIST strain of a countries people, again, ANY COUNTRY, not just the U.S., is a Rightist theory.....I think it is inevitable that Nationalism will eventually win out all over the word" Pack Mentality will prevail. Communism and socialist theology is destined to fail, long term, to the ideals based on NATURAL LAW and THE LAWS OF NATURE: Where we must be careful is to prevent these kind of transitions from being hijacked by PERSONALITY CULT type dictators that corrupt the ideals.

[paraclete]

V7, fortunately I can't be hypenated, we don't stick ethnic labels on people, you are either a citizen or you are not, and even then we don't ask, so the natural law is a stranger is just someone you haven't met yet. Your leader sees an america for americans, I can't see anything wrong with that, he has forgotten about the huddled masses, apparently, there were too many, and now he wants to give Syrians a break from visiting americans, applause

[Vacuum7]

Paraclete: The U.S. is WAY, WAY, WAY over the top too worried about RACE! You Aussies have it right, DON'T WORRY ABOUT RACE! Everything is about RACE in the U.S. and it is choking common sense to death.....and it is pitting one race against another race: IT IS INSTIGATING RACIAL UNREST! Every form, every government document inquires about race. THE U.S. IS A NATION CONSUMED BY RACE. You have a group mindset in the U.S. that DESIRES THAT CAUSCASION SHOULD FEEL GUILTY about their race and promote the ideal of "THE EVIL WHITE MAN"....the whole concept of that is disgusting. RACIAL ENGINEERING is at work and by that I mean the attempt by the government to FORCE people of one race to like another race: That will come NATURALLY in people IF YOU DON'T try and force them! The natural reaction in a human being is to RESIST BEING TOLD WHAT AND WHO TO LIKE! The U.S. Government and supported RACE BAITERS are allowed to push this agenda down the throats of Americans and it is DRIVING A WEDGE BETWEEN THE RACES!

The U.S. will never move forward until they stop the racial engineering and allow the natural process to take its course! It will work out just fine if they just leave their filthy hands off of it!

[talaniman]

What does America really look like Vac? A bunch of old rich white guys, or a diverse mix of everybody. What do you think?

[jlisenbe]

The America I see is a diverse mix of everybody. Some make good decisions and some not so good.

Everyone who is mentally and physically healthy can make it here. It's an amazing place, even with all our problems.

[talaniman]

The America I see is a diverse mix of everybody. Some make good decisions and some not so good.

Everyone who is mentally and physically healthy can make it here. It's an amazing place, even with all our problems.

We agree on that. What say you Vac?