[Wondergirl]

GERMANS wrote parts of the BIBLE? Never heard that before.

You're kidding, right? Please reread what Athos wrote.

[Athos]

Originally Posted by Vacuum7 GERMANS wrote parts of the BIBLE? Never heard that before.

You're kidding, right? Please reread what Athos wrote.

That's nothing. V7 also saw a video where Biden bragged about firing the prosecutor who was investigating his son. HEY, V7 says EVERYBODY saw the video and heard it! Somebody please call the WH. They could use that information.

[paraclete]

That's nothing. V7 also saw a video where Biden bragged about firing the prosecutor who was investigating his son. HEY, V7 says EVERYBODY saw the video and heard it! Somebody please call the WH. They could use that information.

Look, if the President even speaks about someone firing a prosecutor it is grounds for impeachment, but of a would be candidate does it, who cares, Not the DNC, obviously

[Vacuum7]

Quelle (SOURCE) in German: I took this to mean that the portion of the Bible being discussed was of German origin.

Biden is on video bragging about get the top Ukrainian Prosecutor fired: This is the same prosecutor who was investigating the firm that Biden's son worked for: When a "firm" is investigated, ALL of its management is INVESTIGATED under the umbrella of the investigation. This prosecutor is on record saying that he intended to investigate Hunter Biden. IN EFFECT, if OLD Biden is bragging about getting someone who is fixing to investigate his son fired because his son, Hunter, is part of the firm being investigated: By straight-forward inference, you can say that OLD JOE BIDEN is bragging about getting a prosecutor fired who was getting ready to investigate his son: THIS IS IRREFUTABLE! WORDS MEAN THINGS!

[Wondergirl]

Quelle (SOURCE) in German: I took this to mean that the portion of the Bible being discussed was of German origin.

That's a HUGE leap! The WORD is from the German.

Your site name, Vacuum, is from the Latin and means "empty." Using your logic, what are we to deduce about you from that?

[Athos]

Biden is on video bragging about get the top Ukrainian Prosecutor fired: This is the same prosecutor who was investigating t.................... IN EFFECT, if OLD Biden is bragging about getting someone who is fixing to investigate his son fired because his son, Hunter,........................................... ....................... is part of the firm being investigated: By straight-forward inference, you can ......rosecutor fired who was getting ready to investigate his son

What an incredible mish-mash of hodge-podge this is! Even for you, V7, it's far out there.

THIS IS IRREFUTABLE! WORDS MEAN THINGS!

YES, THEY DO. THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING WHERE IS THE VIDEO YOU CLAIMED TO HAVE SEEN. YOU CLAIMED IT IN WORDS!!! You know, those irrefutable words that mean things! (Good grief).

[Athos]

WHY what? or just plain WHAT?

JL asked my what my position re hell is. I'm a coward since I won't answer.

My question for him is does he still believe that unbelievers go to hell for eternal punishment. Lately, he seems to be reversing that position a little. Maybe not.

Tell him to include what happens to the Buddhist who lived before Christ and never heard of him. Does the Buddhist go to hell for eternity because he never heard of or believed in Christ?

If he includes the Buddhist result, I'll tell him my position re hell.

[jlisenbe]

JL asked my what my position re hell is. I'm a coward since I won't answer.

You said it, not me.

What happens to the Buddhists? They will be judged for their sins like you, me, and everybody else. It's what I have been telling you for a while now. Serving a false god(s) does not profit a person, though Buddhism is really more of a philosophy than a religion based upon belief in god. Still, Jesus came to save sinners from the judgement of God, and there is no other name given under heaven whereby men must be saved than Jesus. Either that, or Acts 4:12 is mistaken.

OK. There you go. Now let's hear your statement about hell and God's judgement. Honestly, I don't care if you state a position or not. I think that if you do, it will likely be completely unbiblical, hopelessly vague, or will attempt to largely negate the clear language of scripture by making it all metaphorical and thus subject to any one of dozens of meaningless interpretations, but hopefully you'll prove me wrong. Perhaps we'll see.

[talaniman]

Don't know if I know many people who live so strictly by scripture, or who judge others on it either. Or worse just set things up just so they can bash others over the head. Is using the gospel as a cudgel really a winning tactic? Or does it give you a perverse pleasure and you have some cruel underlying tendencies?

What are you hiding with such passive aggressive behavior? Mostly aggressive. No knock, just an observation. I'll admit I can be aggressive too, often without provocation, which may be me just projecting what I see in myself at times on you but I honestly think it goes DEEPER.

You are up early, or still up late for sure.

[jlisenbe]

Don't know if I know many people who live so strictly by scripture, or who judge others on it either. Or worse just set things up just so they can bash others over the head. Is using the gospel as a cudgel really a winning tactic? Or does it give you a perverse pleasure and you have some cruel underlying tendencies?

"Some cruel underlying tendencies?" Probably. Most of us do. God rides me all the time about trying to stay humble and kind in my responses. It's a challenge. The biggest irritant I have is people who want to misrepresent what I say and who will not answer questions. If you're big enough to criticize the views of others, then be big enough to put your own views out there. You know I appreciate your willingness to speak your mind. I'd like for everyone to do that. Some won't.

What are you hiding with such passive aggressive behavior? Mostly aggressive. No knock, just an observation. I'll admit I can be aggressive too, often without provocation, which may be me just projecting what I see in myself at times on you but I honestly think it goes DEEPER.

I am aggressive. Isn't that kind of like you??? These issues are not play things to me. It's not like we're discussing the impeachment hearings that, a hundred years from now, will matter but little. Issues of eternity are critical and I want people to be honest in their responses, so yeah, I do push kind of hard. I try not to be rude. I don't call names, and if you'll remember, I've told you to call me out on it if I call names. Honestly, you irritate me when you want to point these things out in me, and then let Athos have a free ride when he is very much the chief offender. Just being honest here. I think you're honest enough to admit that is true.

You are up early, or still up late for sure.

Up early. Had a couple of weird dreams so I got on the web to settle down a bit.

[talaniman]

Strange how I understand Athos AND WG almost perfectly, but I can understand how guys like us can be rather annoying and as my wife says so frustrating sometimes, trying to make a point or mostly with me when I don't want to hear what others have to say, you know, well because I know I'm right, or want to be right so bad LOL, but a big part of humility is listening and asking questions to gain what the heck others are feeling and talking about. Now that's a heckuva self admission from a big ego, but in no way does that mean I let you off the hook in the future or going soft now just because I learned my lesson the hard way through mistakes, blunders, and stupidity, and just shut up listen and accept, that I have people who actually yell me that I'm so full of crap, and strangely I am grateful for it.

I understand your feelings JL, and know that it's just as important for you to be right about God and gospel, and that's okay with me but it's not the same importance to others as it is with you, and it would be a better world if everybody would be as you are about it but that's not LIFE, or reality maybe yours, but certainly not mine.

Heck dude if everyone was more like me then the world would be a better place too! Then you would really be chasing me with a bible or a stick to beat me about the head to wipe the silly grin off my face wouldn't you? 8D Don't answer, we both got our running shoes on this morning. Right? Always ready for action!

I'm grateful just to be HERE! You?

[jlisenbe]

in no way does that mean I let you off the hook in the future or going soft now just because I learned my lesson the hard way through mistakes, blunders, and stupidity, and just shut up listen and accept, that I have people who actually yell me that I'm so full of crap, and strangely I am grateful for it.

That made me laugh. We are way too much alike.

I understand your feelings JL, and know that it's just as important for you to be right about God and gospel, and that's okay with me but it's not the same importance to others as it is with you, and it would be a better world if everybody would be as you are about it but that's not LIFE, or reality maybe yours, but certainly not mine.

It's not so much that I want to be right as much as I want to know the truth. If I am proven wrong but better learn the truth, then so be it.

Heck dude if everyone was more like me then the world would be a better place too! Then you would really be chasing me with a bible or a stick to beat me about the head to wipe the silly grin off my face wouldn't you? 8D Don't answer, we both got our running shoes on this morning. Right? Always ready for action!

I'm going to be in FW one of these days and take you up on the cup of coffee!

I'm grateful just to be HERE! You?

At my age, absolutely!

[Athos]

[QUOTE=jlisenbe;3844403]

Honestly, I don't care if you state a position or not.

Honestly, you sure act as thought you do. You've been asking for my position for months.

I think that if you do, it will likely be completely unbiblical

No.

hopelessly vague

Nope.

will attempt to largely negate the clear language of scripture

No again, but keep trying.

making it all metaphorical

Finally, no and no and no. Finished?

hopefully you'll prove me wrong.

Now, you're clickin'.

What happens to the Buddhists? They will be judged for their sins like you, me, and everybody else.

I'll answer when you answer my question. You didn't do that. You side-stepped it (as usual).

My question - Does a Buddhist go to hell for eternity because he never heard of or believed in Christ? Simple question, demanding a simple answer.

[jlisenbe]

If he includes the Buddhist result, I'll tell him my position re hell.

I did my part. Why am I not surprised? I'm not holding my breath.

[Athos]

I did my part. Why am I not surprised? I'm not holding my breath.

No you didn't. Read again my post - you missed the last part probably because of similar times in posting.

[talaniman]

It takes a bunch of faith to beleive in the words of guys that have been dead for thousands of years. At least for me it does. That Christians and Muslims are so different boggles my mind as all religions on the Earth are made up of HUMANS.

Hey whatever makes us feel better and gives us hope and guidance I suppose.

[jlisenbe]

It takes a bunch of faith to beleive in the words of guys that have been dead for thousands of years.

If it's just their words it would be stupid to have any faith at all in them.

[Wondergirl]

If it's just their words it would be stupid to have any faith at all in them.

What is there beyond their words?

[jlisenbe]

What is there beyond their words?

I know it makes you nervous for me to quote scripture, but check these out.

Heb. 1:1In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe. 3The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.

2 Peter. For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

I still want to know what you think about the words of Christ in Matthew 25.

[Wondergirl]

It takes a bunch of faith to beleive in the words of guys that have been dead for thousands of years. At least for me it does. That Christians and Muslims are so different boggles my mind as all religions on the Earth are made up of HUMANS.

Plus centuries have passed, cultures are different, languages cause difficulties, human motivations and hopes vary.

I know it makes you nervous for me to quote scripture, but check these out.

Heb. 1:1In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe. 3The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.

2 Peter. For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

I still want to know what you think about the words of Christ in Matthew 25.

Words on a page. I ask again, what is there beyond their words?

I'm certainly not going to be kind and merciful because I'm afraid of "eternal hellfire"!