[jlisenbe]

cutting their lifelines.

And therein lies the entire problem. Anytime I consider my lifeline to be a government that takes money from one group by force of law and gives it to me, then I become, in essence, the slave of that government. God help us that we have lost the attitude of just wanting freedom and opportunity. Instead, you advocate a government sponsored "lifeline".

[tomder55]

I keep on replaying Mike Lee's address in the Senate when announcing he'd vote against convicting Trump. Mandatory listening especially the beginning of the address
https://www.lee.senate.gov/public/in...F-C7B386C78328

[Vacuum7]

The FBI agents involved with the Flynn episode were bastards: Told him he didn't need a lawyer present for questioning....real turds.

Flynn should be set free and Trump should give him a job: Hunt down the Deep State plants still out there and pull them out by their ears, hair, or whatever else he can grab! I think Flynn would do very well with the fire that burns inside of him now.

[talaniman]

And therein lies the entire problem. Anytime I consider my lifeline to be a government that takes money from one group by force of law and gives it to me, then I become, in essence, the slave of that government. God help us that we have lost the attitude of just wanting freedom and opportunity. Instead, you advocate a government sponsored "lifeline".

Of course that also means you are against eminent domain where government takes someone's land to repurpose by force of law. While a government lifeline for it's citizens that need it is in my view a good thing during hard times they had no control over and very different from you being forced to contribute through taxes, or being made a slave of the government. Seems a guy from Mississippi would know what real slavery looks like and be grateful you aren't one of those.

Luck of the draw.

I keep on replaying Mike Lee's address in the Senate when announcing he'd vote against convicting Trump. Mandatory listening especially the beginning of the address
https://www.lee.senate.gov/public/in...F-C7B386C78328

Great excuse to finally recognize the ball has been dropped for a long time which has nothing to do with dropping the ball yet again in this time. Pretty words to justify not doing what must be done.

The FBI agents involved with the Flynn episode were bastards: Told him he didn't need a lawyer present for questioning....real turds.

Flynn should be set free and Trump should give him a job: Hunt down the Deep State plants still out there and pull them out by their ears, hair, or whatever else he can grab! I think Flynn would do very well with the fire that burns inside of him now.

Boy if the FBI can bamboozle a 4 star general he must be a real horses arse in the first place. No wonder he was fired and warnings about him given to the new guy. Ever look and see the pattern of the dufus guys he likes around him, AND that have trouble with the law? Hope you remember that when a guy gets caught stealing a loaf of bread for his family.

[Vacuum7]

Talaniman: No, you can't blame Flynn when the FBI agents KNOWINGLY/CONSCIOUSLY LIED TO HIM! The FBI was, and possibly still is, out of control: They think they make the laws! Not too long ago the left HATED THE FBI! Why does the left love them now? Funny how that works: The left wants us to think that the FBI is beyond reproach and as pure as the wind driven snow: YOU AND I BOTH KNOW THAT IS B.S.! Flynn's mistake was trusting the FBI. If the FBI ever comes asking you anything, you don't say one damn word to them without a lawyer present...if you do, you are opening yourself up to a world of hurt.

[jlisenbe]

Of course that also means you are against eminent domain where government takes someone's land to repurpose by force of law. While a government lifeline for it's citizens that need it is in my view a good thing during hard times they had no control over and very different from you being forced to contribute through taxes, or being made a slave of the government. Seems a guy from Mississippi would know what real slavery looks like and be grateful you aren't one of those.

No, I'm not against eminent domain and, for that matter, I'm not against taxes. I am against this "lifeline" mentality which teaches people that there is no real reason to be prudent, save, work hard, and plan for the future because, after all, my Lord Government has a lifeline there for me. It's just an effort to corral the votes of poor people by encouraging them, rather than taking care of themselves, to trust in the gov to provide the all important lifeline.

[talaniman]

Talaniman: No, you can't blame Flynn when the FBI agents KNOWINGLY/CONSCIOUSLY LIED TO HIM! The FBI was, and possibly still is, out of control: They think they make the laws! Not too long ago the left HATED THE FBI! Why does the left love them now? Funny how that works: The left wants us to think that the FBI is beyond reproach and as pure as the wind driven snow: YOU AND I BOTH KNOW THAT IS B.S.! Flynn's mistake was trusting the FBI. If the FBI ever comes asking you anything, you don't say one damn word to them without a lawyer present...if you do, you are opening yourself up to a world of hurt.

I can see a young guy caught up in a mess and feeling trapped but not a seasoned career national security officer that did enough dirt to be fired, not knowing his rights. That dog just don't hunt that he was duped by a couple of FBI agents and his hands were clean of all wrong doing after admitting many times he was probably being bugged when talking to foreign entities.

Geez Vac, what's with the notion the left hated the FBI and now they don't? Catching a high level fish instead of an ordinary pick pocket is love? I don't think so! It's the right who should be questioned for not being suspicious that the dufus cronies are landing in jail after a trial or plea deal. Or after the latest developments the defender of war criminals intervenes in the cases of those cronies during sentencing, and the fact he perp marches others working in the WH out, and recommends prosecution for obeying a LAWFUL subpoena from the congress for testimony.

I'm still no fan of the FBI, but the dufus and his ilk are even lower on the totem pole than the FBI. They are without a doubt double dealing nefarious and corrupt actors who have no business anywhere near the trappings of what's supposed to be OUR government.

[talaniman]

No, I'm not against eminent domain and, for that matter, I'm not against taxes. I am against this "lifeline" mentality which teaches people that there is no real reason to be prudent, save, work hard, and plan for the future because, after all, my Lord Government has a lifeline there for me. It's just an effort to corral the votes of poor people by encouraging them, rather than taking care of themselves, to trust in the gov to provide the all important lifeline.

So people who need help during a tough time are being led to some type of dependence on a government life line, but it's okay for people to help them through charity? Dude please, if you have not recognized charity is not enough, and they need more substantive help then you deny reality of the size and scope of the real issues people have. I mean explain to me what happens at YOUR charity when indeed people have greater need than what YOU can honestly provide?

[jlisenbe]

So people who need help during a tough time are being led to some type of dependence on a government life line, but it's okay for people to help them through charity? Dude please, if you have not recognized charity is not enough, and they need more substantive help then you deny reality of the size and scope of the real issues people have. I mean explain to me what happens at YOUR charity when indeed people have greater need than what YOU can honestly provide?

So for the five hundredth time, there is a great difference between me helping someone by choice versus being compelled to do so by the government. I do it to help people. I get involved with them and, hopefully, help them learn to make better choices in life. If you were doing it then you would know that. The government does it to get the votes of poor people and leaves them just as they found them except that, in many cases, they are worse off because they become dependent upon government assistance and even develop a sense of entitlement to it.

[talaniman]

So for the five hundredth time, there is a great difference between me helping someone by choice versus being compelled to do so by the government. I do it to help people. I get involved with them and, hopefully, help them learn to make better choices in life. If you were doing it then you would know that. The government does it to get the votes of poor people and leaves them just as they found them except that, in many cases, they are worse off because they become dependent upon government assistance and even develop a sense of entitlement to it.

That's commendable of you, keep it up, but I spent years learning, and getting people back on their feet, no matter the reasons they had fallen, and charity ain't enough all the time. We both no its a network of people, because people are unique and have different issues to be addressed and that often involves professionals. Can you get an ex con a job? How about the mom with no skills that needs childcare so she can get the skills to get a job?

JL I don't even want to diminish what you do, but I just lived in some places that are fair in size from where a bunch of people just wanted help, and the charities do help, I've worked with many, can't do without them, but that's where I probably learned the most about the importance of networking to provide a huge variety of services and yeah that government assistance is as invaluable as the charities and they do work together in many areas so it just burns my bum that you get so bent out of shape and would deny the right help people need for some draconian out of touch notion they will get hooked on government assistance.

I have seen much good that private and public cooperation can do and proud to be a part of the efforts. You should rethink your position guy, because you never know how great people can be if you deny them the right help.

[jlisenbe]

Can you get an ex con a job?

Right now? We have ex cons leave the drug rehab center regularly and get a job within a week. With this economy we have now, getting a job is no problem.

And again, when the gov starts taking money by force of law from one American and giving it to another American, we are in big trouble.

You should rethink your position guy, because you never know how great people can be if you deny them the right help.

I am very well aware of what help can mean to people. I'm all for me and you personally doing that very thing a lot. What you are in favor of is voting for people who will make other people give money to the poor.

[paraclete]

And again, when the gov starts taking money by force of law from one American and giving it to another American, we are in big trouble.

Then you have been in big trouble for a long time

[talaniman]

JL, by law you are the government, and we all live here by consensus. So whether you agree with the law or not you are free to comply or suffer the consequences just like everybody else so stop whining like you are a VICTIM!

[jlisenbe]

JL, by law you are the government, and we all live here by consensus. So whether you agree with the law or not you are free to comply or suffer the consequences just like everybody else so stop whining like you are a VICTIM!

There is a third option, one which you exercise to the fullest. I can voice my opinion and try and sway public opinion.

[talaniman]

there is a third option, one which you exercise to the fullest. I can voice my opinion and try and sway public opinion.

yup!! 8d

[tomder55]

now nanny Bloomy wants Evita to run as VP on his ticket lolololol

my advice for him would be to watch his back if he becomes President . The Clintoons have long knives .

[Vacuum7]

tomder55: Would love for Bloomturd to take Hillary on as VP: She will get her arse beat AGAIN by Trump!

Bloomturd will be a horrible candidate: He has NO CHARISMA! Bloomturd COULD NOT LEAD FLIES TO FRESH DOG SH&T!

[paraclete]

tomder55: Would love for Bloomturd to take Hillary on as VP: She will get her arse beat AGAIN by Trump!

Bloomturd will be a horrible candidate: He has NO CHARISMA! Bloomturd COULD NOT LEAD FLIES TO FRESH DOG SH&T!

Do we really need this level of rhetoric. It is obvious you hate minorities and while I don't condone their lifestyle choices, this level of rhetoric is unnecessary and points to a level of hatred that is unbecoming

[jlisenbe]

It is on the strong side.

[Vacuum7]

Paraclete: Bloomturd is WHITE! Where the devil do you get that I hate minorities? No basis for that statement....I stand by my claim Bloomturd is as UNCHARISMATIC as he can possibly be and will be trounced by Trump.