[jlisenbe]

Well that was a nothing burger,

With you, anything that happened to HC or Mr. Obama was a "nothing burger". It is your basic approach that seems to be completely linked to political beliefs rather than to ethics. The truth is, Obama and Trump are just two peas in the same pod.

[tomder55]

As Trump was rising in the polls in 2016 ,the emperors' White House invited Ukraine’s top prosecutors to Washington to discuss" fighting corruption in the country."
The meeting turned out to be more of a pretext for them to pressure Ukraine’s prosecutors to drop an investigation into the Burisma Holdings gas company that employed Hunter Biden and to look for new evidence in a case against Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort that the FBI had dropped in 2014 .Two top Ukrainian officials , including member of Parliament Serhiy Leshchenko ,released evidence to the American media, smearing Manafort. The release of the evidence forced Manafort to step down as Trump’s top campaign adviser. A Ukrainian court concluded that the release of the evidence amounted to an unlawful intervention in the U.S. election by the government of Ukraine . This happened the same time that Biden was threatening withholding $1 billion in crucial US aide if Ukraine's President Poroshenko did not drop the investigation of Burisima ;and demanded that the prosecutor be fired .

[tomder55]

isn't it a coincidence that the form used to report "urgent concern " to the ICIG was revised in August 2019 right before the whistle blower's complaint was filed ?

https://www.dni.gov/files/ICIG/Docum...ure%20Form.pdf

The revisions no longer requires whistleblowers have first hand knowledge of the alleged wrongdoing that they are reporting and

allows them to file whistle blower complaints even if they have no direct knowledge of underlying evidence ,and only heard about the alleged wrong doing from others.The whistle blower in the complaint against Trump admits he/she got the information from 2nd hand sources .

“I was not a direct witness to most of the events”..... “I have received information from multiple U.S. Government officials,” …..

“officials have informed me,”.....

“officials with direct knowledge of the call informed me,”.....

“the White House officials who told me this information,”....etc .

The complainant also cites news articles as proof of many of the allegations. What a joke!

When do I think the revisions to the form was made ? Could it be just prior to

Sue Gordon of CIA resigning from DNI on August 8 after being passed over by Trump for promotion ????

also Dan Coats left the CIA at the end of July effective August 15 . The timing of the whistle blower complaint is quite a coincidence.

Schmuck Shumer warned the President early in his administration that the US Intelligence Agencies have "six ways from Sunday " to get back at anyone who takes them on.

[Athos]

Athos: Come on! You know Trump will not kill the whistleblower....its just frustration with being infested with Obama era spies within the ranks that he is expressing himself this way.

"Infested with Obama era spies"? Where do you get this stuff from?

This is also to JL who commended your take on this

Yes, the whistleblower is talking 2nd and 3rd hand information: INADMISSABLE IN ANY COURT! Can you imagine: I didn't witness a murder but I know someone who did and they said "____"...this doesn't work, at all! And the ones who were in the room can't talk about any of it because of Executive Privilege clauses: DEMOS HAVE ZILTCH!

Calm down V7 and think about what you said. "INADMISSABLE IN ANY COURT", you wrote. No one's in a court. Look at it this way. An anonymous caller calls the police and says he knows who killed Susie Smith. The policeman does not go to court - HE INVESTIGATES WHAT THE CALLER SAID. Pretty simple, nes't pas?

You can IMPEACH ALL YOU WANT! Trump stays in office: The Congress is a toothless dog! The Senate won't go along with any of this crap, Trump will remain in office: Bill Clinton WAS CONVICTED OF PERJURY AND IMPEACHED AND STAYED IN OFFICE! You are delusional about forcing Trump out....dreaming! And, guess what, once Clinton was Impeached, his popularity increased...AND SO WILL TRUMP'S: CAN YOU SAY "ANOTHER FOUR YEARS"? Start practicing now.

That's even more mindless than usual. Or ranting, maybe I should say. What has Clinton got to do with anything. He was charged by the Republicans who invaded his private sex life. Trump is charged with soliciting a foreign agent with getting dirt on a political opponent of Trump. WORLDS OF DIFFERENCE!!!

Trump is not above the law....but, as POTUS, he is no longer a simple citizen, he is Commander In Chief, and that changes everything.

HE IS NOT ABOVE THE LAW. HIS C-IN-C CHANGES NOTHING!!!!!!! CAN YOU READ THE CONSTITUTION? I DON'T THINK SO. AT LEAST YOU GIVE NO EVIDENCE OF BEING ABLE TO.

You keep wanting to apply conventional laws to the POTUS

Dear God! There is no conventional law! There is one law for everybody. Your ignorance of basic Americanism is truly scary. You would find a dictatorship more to your liking. You're an excellent argument for testing people on their knowledge before they vote.

The left had no interests and demonstrated no interests in implementing laws when Clinton or Obama were in Office

What in God's name are you talking about?

When Obama flew $1.7 billon to Iran in the middle of the night, he didn't consult congress or anyone else....

He wasn't required to. Here's another falsehood originating in the Trump camp that you are abyssymally ignorant of.

because he was Barack HUSSEIN Obama and not Donald Trump.

Interesting emphasis for someone who claims not to be a religious bigot.

As a Libertarian, I want LAWS IMPOSED WITH EQUALITY.

Yeah, except for the Commander-in-Chief.

....The left just doesn't get that concept.

It's YOU who doesn't get that concept as you have so clearly demonstrated in this very post.

With the upcoming changes to the SCOTUS, they are going to get a dose of the medicine they have been trying to dish out: The Right will use the Courts to clear hurdles and contain the left like never before

SCOTUS is charged with administering JUSTICE. But you don't have the slightest idea what that means. To you, it's simply about clearing our your political rivals.

All this turmoil serves only to help build the Libertarian cause so that one day there will be THREE PARTIES instead of the MONOPOLY ON POWER THAT THE DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICAN HAVE NOW! We are waiting in the wings! The left and the Right have conspired for years to shut down every attempt to bring a Third Party into play: They want the power all to themselves, they don't want change and helping the people and improving the people's lot is the furthest thing from their mind...its a charade!.....DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICS ARE OF THE SAME ILK!

Rave on, lunatic!

V7 - Unless you show a little more intelligence and knowledge of current affairs in your posts, I can't guarantee answering them anymore. It takes too long to type and format answers for someone who doesn't exhibit a willingness to improve. I recognize you have achieved SOME improvement but I wish you would do more of it BEFORE you post. I'm coming to the conclusion that it may not be necessary to correct your errors since readers here are able to see that you are basically a troll for Trump - perhaps unwillingly, but true.

[talaniman]

With you, anything that happened to HC or Mr. Obama was a "nothing burger". It is your basic approach that seems to be completely linked to political beliefs rather than to ethics. The truth is, Obama and Trump are just two peas in the same pod.

Or the right wing noise machine and repubs in government are truly incompetent to both govern and execute the laws of the land. You cannot argue with the outcomes and it appears the corruption you charge the left with is well beyond your ability to stop or deal with effectively when given the levers of power to do so. Case in point are the decades and numerous investigations that failed to bear the desired fruit you wanted, HC and Obama paying for the crimes you charged.

Now granted dems and the left may well prove to be as incompetent and feckless as repubs, but in fact, it is our turn to try, and without the levers of power you have enjoyed during the dufus administration. Granted the country is suffering muddling through these eternal conflicts and much goes undone while the two parties try to out do each other, an unfortunate effect of divided government, which sadly has degenerated into an ugly stinking pile of a crappy mess. Not sure I have a solution except obviously it's time to flush the toilet and seek a compromise to keep it flushed so we can effectively and efficiently handle our business.

Until such a time we should just dump the dufus and his corrupt, lying cheating bully ways.

[jlisenbe]

When speaking of republican incompetence, I suppose you mean the record low unemployment figures which have been around for a year or two now? Numbers considerably lower than Mr. Obama was able to come up with in EIGHT years?

As to investigations, when you get strike three on this one, where will you go next?

[tomder55]

The Dems think this is a win win. They run an impeachment scam right up to the election and they also take down Quid Pro Joe the only sane candidate they have (besides Marianne Williamson) .

[paraclete]

The Dems think this is a win win. They run an impeachment scam right up to the election and they also take down Quid Pro Joe the only sane candidate they have (besides Marianne Williamson) .

Joe is now history if he wasn't already, the crap will stick, but Pocahontas is still there and might make the better candidate

[talaniman]

When speaking of republican incompetence, I suppose you mean the record low unemployment figures which have been around for a year or two now? Numbers considerably lower than Mr. Obama was able to come up with in EIGHT years?

As to investigations, when you get strike three on this one, where will you go next?

Obama left him a great foundation to enjoy, yet the ungrateful dufus and you right wing loonies claim complete credit for the sun shining on your a$$, and completely ignoring the true numbers, which was 4.8% when Obama left office. Do the math and tell me what the dufus has done since them. So yes your considerately lower rates are an exaggeration of the truth just like everything else that comes out of this lying cheating dufus bully.

I don't know the outcome of all this, but the goal is dump the dufus and rid the government of his sycophants. We'll just have to do the work and see what comes of it. Hope we do better than repubs did with all their investigations.

[jlisenbe]

Do the math and tell me what the dufus has done since them.

OK. Obama's best was 4.8%. Trump's best is 3.7%. So what has Trump done? In less than two years he has set records for low unemployment which Obama could not do in eight years. Is that what you were referring to?

the goal is dump the dufus and rid the government of his sycophants.

Yep. Justice and ethics have nothing to do with it. I'm glad you've finally come clean on that. TDS at work and in broad daylight.

[jlisenbe]

Obama bailed out GM who then turns around and closes 5 American plants. Trump stands up for the displaced American workers. What a strange twist.

“General Motors CEO Mary Barra might be the most unpopular CEO in the United States right now after GM announced it is slashing up to 15,000 jobs and closing up to five plants in North America.

Barra has been shredded from all sides for the decision, including from President Donald Trump.

‘Very disappointed with General Motors and their CEO, Mary Barra, for closing plants in Ohio, Michigan and Maryland. Nothing being closed in Mexico & China. The U.S. saved General Motors, and this is the THANKS we get! We are now looking at cutting all @GMsubsidies, including… for electric cars. General Motors made a big China bet years ago when they built plants there (and in Mexico) – don’t think that bet is going to pay off. I am here to protect America’s Workers!’

http://labor411.org/411-blog/gm-mana...Lm8-nebltfY-_U

Attention all labor union workers. Vote republican!!

[talaniman]

OK. Obama's best was 4.8%. Trump's best is 3.7%. So what has Trump done? In less than two years he has set records for low unemployment which Obama could not do in eight years. Is that what you were referring to?



Yep. Justice and ethics have nothing to do with it. I'm glad you've finally come clean on that. TDS at work and in broad daylight.

Heck guy Obama put you so close to the record there was nothing to do but set a record. As far as justice and ethics, you obviously know nothing about either.

Obama bailed out GM who then turns around and closes 5 American plants. Trump stands up for the displaced American workers. What a strange twist.

“General Motors CEO Mary Barra might be the most unpopular CEO in the United States right now after GM announced it is slashing up to 15,000 jobs and closing up to five plants in North America.

Barra has been shredded from all sides for the decision, including from President Donald Trump.

‘Very disappointed with General Motors and their CEO, Mary Barra, for closing plants in Ohio, Michigan and Maryland. Nothing being closed in Mexico & China. The U.S. saved General Motors, and this is the THANKS we get! We are now looking at cutting all @GMsubsidies, including… for electric cars. General Motors made a big China bet years ago when they built plants there (and in Mexico) – don’t think that bet is going to pay off. I am here to protect America’s Workers!’

http://labor411.org/411-blog/gm-mana...Lm8-nebltfY-_U

Attention all labor union workers. Vote republican!!

And get more of the same plant closings and lay offs because the dufus and repubs have no clue of how to stop either one. Vote republicans OUT!! All they can do is take credit for another's work, and stick their name on it.

[tomder55]

Joe is now history if he wasn't already, the crap will stick, but Pocahontas is still there and might make the better candidate

You realize that Dem backers on Wall Street will back out of any support they would give the Dem candidate if she is the nominee.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/26/wall...nominated.html


Also her dirty little secret (besides her fraud to get her academic credentials ) was that until 1996 ;when she changed her registration and before she went completely insane ,she was at very least a centrist if not conservative Republican. She even used to publish as someone far removed from her socialism of today . As late as 2003 she wrote 'The Two Income Trap ' In it she flatly rejected a

“quasi-socialist safety net "
In the book she argued that a single income with the mom staying home to raise the kids was a more financially stable arrangement than a two income family . Anyway if that Elizabeth Warren was running instead of the loony crusader against the capital markets ,I could support her. But a President Warren will do more damage to the economy of the US than the emperor could've dreamed of .

[talaniman]

Until 2015 the dufus was a democrat so I suppose the left should be grateful he chose to infiltrate and run coup on the repubs .Can't blame him since the right was itching for a figure head and the dufus filled the bill with his theatrics, so of course he wants to get paid. I don't think he would fare as well against Bernie and Hillary in a primary, but repubs gobbled his act up like hungry wolves, and given the competition, not surprising.

Is the right wing noise machine strong enough to keep him around and can he keep his sycophants in line against the Blue movement? Stay tuned. Warren has plans, but the numbers are really disturbing, SO GO JOE GO!!

[tomder55]

Until 2015 the dufus was a democrat

he still is and if you did not hate him so much you would see the issues you have in common with him. As a example ,his trade policies could come right out of the Bernie Sanders playbook .His policies about Social Security are no different than Evita's were . He doesn't have a social conservative bone in his body. He wants to spend a $trillion on infrastructure ...a very liberal idea. He was in favor of suspending the debt ceiling ...another Democrat dream .

[talaniman]

You misjudge me Tomder, I don't hate the dufus, I hate what he does, says, and how he conducts himself and governs. He has implemented or pushed for no policy I could agree with, instead chosing to feed the right red meat, and keeping his sucophants in line for whatever he does for fear of primary retaliation the cowards.

All my repub heroes are GONE. I make no bones about wanting him gone too! No I don't hate the guy, when he was a dem, he was still a lying cheating dufus bully. I still wouldn't have voted for him if he won the dem nomination, and if he won under the dem banner, I would still want him GONE!

Looked into the whistle blower rule changes and it does appear changes were recently made, but that's as far as I can go. Who and why remains unknown for now.

[Vacuum7]

Just don't get why everyone wants to return to the "GOOD OLD DAYS" before Trump took Office: I don't see what was so good about the last 40 some years.....Why is the status quo looked at so lovingly? You had Democrats and Republican sharing the wealth and running rough-shod over anyone and everyone: DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS RUN A MONOPOLY OF POWER IN THE U.S.....I guess Trump kind of veered outside the Establishment's Defined Path Of Behavior as the President because he isn't hard left or hard Right, and that just pisses everyone off.

Why in the world is everyone just O.K. with the same old same old all the damn time in politics/government? WHERE IN THE HELL IS YOUR NATURAL CURIOSITY? Lack of curiosity signifies a lack of motivation and intelligence: I agree the whole of society has been dumbed-down. Doesn't anyone want to see someone BESIDES DEMOS and REPUBS behind the wheel?

[jlisenbe]

Doesn't anyone want to see someone BESIDES DEMOS and REPUBS behind the wheel?

I would prefer to make the wheel much smaller and the power of politicians much smaller, especially with the feds. I'd be happy if they just had enough sense to balance the budget.

[talaniman]

Just don't get why everyone wants to return to the "GOOD OLD DAYS" before Trump took Office: I don't see what was so good about the last 40 some years.....Why is the status quo looked at so lovingly? You had Democrats and Republican sharing the wealth and running rough-shod over anyone and everyone: DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS RUN A MONOPOLY OF POWER IN THE U.S.....I guess Trump kind of veered outside the Establishment's Defined Path Of Behavior as the President because he isn't hard left or hard Right, and that just pisses everyone off.

Why in the world is everyone just O.K. with the same old same old all the damn time in politics/government? WHERE IN THE HELL IS YOUR NATURAL CURIOSITY? Lack of curiosity signifies a lack of motivation and intelligence: I agree the whole of society has been dumbed-down. Doesn't anyone want to see someone BESIDES DEMOS and REPUBS behind the wheel?

You know the rules. State your case and see if you get the votes. From where I sit the status quo looks better than what we have now, or where we're headed. I have no idea if libertarians can govern better, and lets just face the facts, ain't enough to find out.

[talaniman]

I would prefer to make the wheel much smaller and the power of politicians much smaller, especially with the feds. I'd be happy if they just had enough sense to balance the budget.

Yeah right while I can appreciate a balanced budget, I know where you draw the lines of what not to spend money on. The military ain't one of 'em, as in the Clinton balanced budget, so how would you get there? I mean you want a balanced budget but your state has nothing to balance. You actually take from states that makes money so shouldn't your state live within it's means as an example of balancing the budget?

Oh wait, you hate the Clintons the last ones to balance the budget, no wars helped a lot too!