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jlisenbe · Sep 29, 2019, 06:48 PM

She doesn't need a sermon. She needs unconditional love.

It's fine to build friendship and trust and to love people. In fact, it's essential and I applaud you for it, but to treat the gospel as nothing more than a "sermon" is a sad reflection on your estimation of the gospel message.

paraclete · Sep 29, 2019, 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

It's fine to build friendship and trust and to love people. In fact, it's essential and I applaud you for it, but to treat the gospel as nothing more than a "sermon" is a sad reflection on your estimation of the gospel message.

and the unconditional love she needs is to be introduced to Jesus, just as everyone has the same need

Wondergirl · Sep 29, 2019, 09:05 PM

Originally Posted by paraclete

and the unconditional love she needs is to be introduced to Jesus, just as everyone has the same need

Not yet.

paraclete · Sep 29, 2019, 09:25 PM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Not yet.

Who are you to decide this? I recall a time where I led a Buddist to Jesus, he was open but my pastor was incensed because he was going to meet with him some days hence and claim the scalp. You don't know when a person may pass away, they may not have the time for your build up

Athos · Sep 29, 2019, 10:25 PM

Originally Posted by paraclete

I recall a time where I led a Buddist to Jesus, he was open but my pastor was incensed because he was going to meet with him some days hence and claim the scalp.

I love it when you fundies talk like this. Sure doesn't make coming to Jesus very appealing.

You don't know when a person may pass away, they may not have the time for your build up

That's ok. No harm done.

paraclete · Sep 29, 2019, 11:08 PM

Originally Posted by Athos

I love it when you fundies talk like this. Sure doesn't make coming to Jesus very appealing.

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It really has nothing to do with Jesus, what it has to do with is love and our willingness to share

Wondergirl · Sep 30, 2019, 08:44 AM

Originally Posted by paraclete

It really has nothing to do with Jesus, what it has to do with is love and our willingness to share

That's the entire reason we witness!

jlisenbe · Sep 30, 2019, 09:01 AM

It really has nothing to do with Jesus

It has everything to do with Jesus. If we do not tell people about the one who came to "to give his life as a ransom for many," then we have been as unloving as we can possibly be.

Wondergirl · Sep 30, 2019, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

It has everything to do with Jesus. If we do not tell people about the one who came to "to give his life as a ransom for many," then we have been as unloving as we can possibly be.

OMG! I agree with you!!!!

jlisenbe · Sep 30, 2019, 10:21 AM

OMG! I agree with you!!!!

It's a miracle!! We both need to stop posting immediately. We've reached the pinnacle.

Wondergirl · Sep 30, 2019, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

It's a miracle!! We both need to stop posting immediately. We've reached the pinnacle.

No, no, no! This is the beginning!

jlisenbe · Sep 30, 2019, 10:35 AM

I have been Swedish death-cleaning this afternoon.

I missed this earlier. What is a "Swedish death-cleaning"?

Wondergirl · Sep 30, 2019, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

I missed this earlier. What is a "Swedish death-cleaning"?

Look it up, please.

Oh, all right.

In Swedish, the exercise is döstädning — a combination of the word “dö” (which means death) and “standing” (which means cleaning), author Magnussen explains in her book. “Death cleaning is not about dusting or mopping up; it is about a permanent form of organization that makes your everyday life run more smoothly,” she explains.

jlisenbe · Sep 30, 2019, 10:59 AM

A method of downsizing employed by minimalists?

Wondergirl · Sep 30, 2019, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

A method of downsizing employed by minimalists?

Yes. I'm old. I don't want debris from my 74 years overwhelming my Asperger's husband and Asperger's son, if I die first. All is being explained to them. Neat files have been correctly labeled. Am busy daily with this project.

jlisenbe · Sep 30, 2019, 11:47 AM

Yes. I'm old. I don't want debris from my 74 years overwhelming my Asperger's husband and Asperger's son, if I die first. All is being explained to them. Neat files have been correctly labeled. Am busy daily with this project.

How strange that we think alike in more ways than one might have thought. I am getting rid of clutter as well so my wife would not have to deal with it if it turns out that way. We had to clear out my parents' large basement several months ago and it was not fun having to just throw away so much stuff.

talaniman · Sep 30, 2019, 12:28 PM

Wow, I have been dealing with the same issues the last few years, cleaning out a lifetime of stuff after my parents deaths, that was physically and EMOTIONALLY profound and taxing. It ain't at all easy and now doing it for the wife and I, hopefully saving my kids from going through the same thing. That's not easy either. Kind of amazing we're going through the same issues undoubtably related to our ages and sense of responsibility that comes with aging.

Again WG, just your sharing and attitude is truly inspiring and I know JL agrees with me on this. That alone is a sign of hope. Thanks my friend for pulling me forward as you always seem to. You're a strong tough cookie for sure.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

How strange that we think alike in more ways than one might have thought. I am getting rid of clutter as well so my wife would not have to deal with it if it turns out that way. We had to clear out my parents' large basement several months ago and it was not fun having to just throw away so much stuff.

No it ain't no fun since all that stuff has a story and strong memories, but you know it has to go. I feel ya my friend.

Wondergirl · Sep 30, 2019, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

How strange that we think alike in more ways than one might have thought. I am getting rid of clutter as well so my wife would not have to deal with it if it turns out that way. We had to clear out my parents' large basement several months ago and it was not fun having to just throw away so much stuff.

We brought into our house Jeremy's stuff -- writing and art, furniture, clothes, comics collection, books, kitchen things, etc. scattered around in our small living room. Have been dealing with that since May 4, 2018.

jlisenbe · Sep 30, 2019, 01:13 PM

Wow, I have been dealing with the same issues the last few years, cleaning out a lifetime of stuff after my parents deaths, that was physically and EMOTIONALLY profound and taxing. It ain't at all easy and now doing it for the wife and I, hopefully saving my kids from going through the same thing. That's not easy either. Kind of amazing we're going through the same issues undoubtably related to our ages and sense of responsibility that comes with aging.

It is very difficult. You want to keep it all but you can't. In the case of the stuff in the basement, so much had molded that there wasn't much to do with it but throw it away, and I mean a LOT of it. I could just imagine my mother standing there with a disapproving look in her eye. We threw away probably two hundred books. WG would have had a fit, but it was all moldy and smelly. Oh well.

We brought into our house Jeremy's stuff

I'm sorry to have to ask this, but who was Jeremy?

Wondergirl · Sep 30, 2019, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

I'm sorry to have to ask this, but who was Jeremy?

Our younger son.

I sent you a PM. Otherwise, tmi on the board