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    #81

    Sep 14, 2019, 02:31 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    You want me to google this "with a variety of keywords"? So you want ME to look up the evidence to verify YOUR allegation? Think I'll pass on that. I won't ask you to back up my statements if you won't ask me to back up yours.
    You never accept OUR links as having any truth in them, so I figured you would see by means of your own searching that, yes, he is enriching himself as president.
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    Sep 14, 2019, 03:08 PM
    feel free to google this with a variety of keywords. The information is out there on a number of websites.
    I linked to the compost and the slimes . Those are supposed to be the legacy media who's reporting is non-impeachable .
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    #83

    Sep 14, 2019, 03:33 PM
    Just everyone remember: Trump DOES NOT ACCEPT A SALARY AS PRESIDENT......no other POTUS ever did that.....something to be said for that, even if you don't like him.
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    #84

    Sep 14, 2019, 03:38 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    I linked to the compost and the slimes . Those are supposed to be the legacy media who's reporting is non-impeachable .
    Check National Review too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vacuum7 View Post
    Just everyone remember: Trump DOES NOT ACCEPT A SALARY AS PRESIDENT......no other POTUS ever did that.....something to be said for that, even if you don't like him.
    He doesn't have to. His being president and using his influence more than makes up for his "lost" income.
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    #85

    Sep 14, 2019, 03:46 PM
    No links. No evidence. Just vague references to "Check National Review." Oh well. Has he been convicted of a crime? No. Has he been formally charged with a crime? No. Has MSNBC charged him with criminal activity? Who cares?

    TDS
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    #86

    Sep 14, 2019, 04:08 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    No links. No evidence. Just vague references to "Check National Review." Oh well. Has he been convicted of a crime? No. Has he been formally charged with a crime? No. Has MSNBC charged him with criminal activity? Who cares?

    TDS
    I made you look! I made you look! Now can we get serious?

    Why did Pence stay at Doonbeg (across the country) instead of in Dublin where his meetings were? Who profited?
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    Sep 14, 2019, 04:11 PM
    Sorry. I didn't look. Like I said, I won't do your research for you. I've been serious the whole time.
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    #88

    Sep 14, 2019, 04:18 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Sorry. I didn't look. Like I said, I won't do your research for you. I've been serious the whole time.
    It's all over the Internet. Lots of cases, situations. You refuse to believe me so do your own research. It's there!

    Earlier I wrote: Why did Pence stay at Doonbeg (across the country) instead of in Dublin where his meetings were? Who profited?
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    #89

    Sep 14, 2019, 04:19 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Vacuum7 View Post
    Just everyone remember: Trump DOES NOT ACCEPT A SALARY AS PRESIDENT......no other POTUS ever did that.....something to be said for that, even if you don't like him.
    He donates his after tax checks (Quarterly) to government projects. Wonder if it's deductible on his tax returns? Probably. Bloomberg in New York has the same setup as well as Mitt Romney. It's a common thing among rich people. Ask Zuckerberg or Oprah about rich people tax havens.

    Per your article Tom

    The bookings for United States military personnel staying at the Trump resort are made by employees of the Glasgow Prestwick Airport, which has an incentive to curry favor with Mr. Trump. The airport has become economically reliant on the military refueling flights, creating at least the appearance of a motive to steer business to the American commander in chief.
    An investigation would clear him if everything is on the up and up, and the AF explains why the traffic to this airport have increased* You know AF protocol review, the JOB of the oversight committee.

    *Linked in another post.
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    #90

    Sep 14, 2019, 04:22 PM
    It's all over the Internet. Lots of cases, situations. You refuse to believe me so do your own research. It's there!
    It's so "all over the internet" that you don't seem to be able to find a single example. I don't believe you since you have presented nothing to believe other than a baseless allegation. And then, to top it all off, you want to suggest that I do the research that you are completely unwilling to do. And now you are serious? Well, I'd hate to see you when you are non-serious.
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    Sep 14, 2019, 04:23 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    It's so "all over the internet" that you don't seem to be able to find a single example. I don't believe you since you have presented nothing to believe other than a baseless allegation. And then, to top it all off, you want to suggest that I do the research that you are completely unwilling to do. And now you are serious? Well, I'd hate to see you when you are non-serious.
    You are sooooo funneeeee! Typical JL!

    Earlier I wrote: Why did Pence stay at Doonbeg (across the country) instead of in Dublin where his meetings were? Who profited?
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    Sep 14, 2019, 04:31 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    It's all over the Internet. Lots of cases, situations. You refuse to believe me so do your own research. It's there!

    Earlier I wrote: Why did Pence stay at Doonbeg (across the country) instead of in Dublin where his meetings were? Who profited?
    Follow the money!
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    #93

    Sep 14, 2019, 04:32 PM
    Earlier I wrote: Why did Pence stay at Doonbeg (across the country) instead of in Dublin where his meetings were? Who profited?
    That's the best you have? We've spent all of this time waiting for this?

    Here is his explanation. Sounds reasonable. If you are upset about this, then I'll bet you were practically apoplectic about the disaster in Benghazi and the subsequent campaign of lying and disinformation that went on afterwards. True?? Or even the Obama family vacation in Hawaii that went on for two weeks.

    That's my big complaint in this situation, of wanting to make a big deal of Pence spending two nights at a Trump-owned facility, but being unconcerned about the deaths of four Americans due to Obama's and Clinton's inaction.

    https://www.mywabashvalley.com/news/...ty-in-ireland/
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    #94

    Sep 14, 2019, 04:52 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    That's the best you have? We've spent all of this time waiting for this?
    I see you can't answer. And I have so many more. No recess for you next week!
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    #95

    Sep 14, 2019, 05:04 PM
    I see you can't answer. And I have so many more. No recess for you next week!
    I linked the answer. I pasted the text below if that will prove helpful to you.

    Next week? So it's going to take that long for you to come up with another spurious example? Oh well. At least you are back in the game. That's encouraging!

    "DUBLIN (AP) — U.S. Vice President Mike Pence on Tuesday defended his decision to stay at one of President Donald Trump’s properties while in Ireland in the face of criticism by Democrats and good government groups that he’s enriching Trump at taxpayers’ expense. He called the Trump property a “logical” choice.

    Speaking to reporters in Dublin, where he spent the day, Pence spoke about his personal connection to the village of Doonbeg — the site of both the Trump International Golf Links & Hotel as well as family history.

    “It’s deeply humbling for me to be able to come back to Ireland and have the opportunity to go to the very hometown of my mother’s grandmother,” said Pence.

    Pence added that he understood “political attacks by Democrats,” but said the State Department had signed off on the decision. He said Doonbeg is a “fairly small place” and the opportunity to stay at the property, “to accommodate the unique footprint that comes with our security detail and other personnel, made it logical.”

    Trump, who owns hotels and golf clubs across the U.S. and in Europe, has come under intense criticism for frequenting properties he owns and profits from — giving them taxpayer-funded publicity and running up millions of dollars in taxpayer costs. Foreign governments and groups looking to curry favor with the president have also spent large sums at his properties, raising ethical alarms about potential pay-to-play dynamics and other conflicts.

    Marc Short, Pence’s chief of staff, told reporters aboard Air Force Two earlier that the decision to stay at the Trump property was made at the president’s “suggestion” and that Pence and his entourage were not staying for free. Short said Pence’s office followed official protocol and the club is the “one facility” in the Doonbeg area able to accommodate a group of their size.

    Pence, who is traveling with his wife, mother and sister, had originally planned to visit the village at the end of a trip to Europe, spending a single night in the village after visits to Iceland, London and Dublin. But then Trump canceled his planned visit to Poland because of Hurricane Dorian, and asked Pence to take his place. That forced last-minute reshuffling of travel plans.

    Instead of making two separate trips to Europe or canceling Pence’s trip, his staff switched around the stops, so that he traveled from Poland to Ireland to Iceland to London. Under the new schedule, Pence is staying stay two nights in Doonbeg, but flew the hour-or-so into Dublin on Tuesday for official meetings, including coffee with Irish President Michael Higgins and lunch with Irish Prime Minister Leo Varadkar and his partner.

    Short said advance teams and Secret Service had already done weeks of planning work to secure the site, one reason they decided to keep the Doonbeg plan in place.

    The decision drew criticism back home.

    Democratic Rep. Ted Lieu of California accused Pence of “Funneling taxpayer money to @POTUS by staying at this Trump resort,” calling the move “sooooooo corrupt.”

    “Your tax dollars: making the Trump family richer,” the Democratic National Committee added by tweet, noting Trump’s own visits to his Virginia golf club over the long weekend.

    The Air Force puts the flight-cost of a C-32, the modified Boeing 757 jet known as Air Force Two when Pence is on board, at about $13,000 per hour. The vice president is personally covering all costs for his mother and sister, Short said.

    Pence said he was pleased to have the opportunity to return to the village where he worked for several weeks during his first visit to Ireland when he was 22. He was greeted by a cheering crowd of several dozen outside Morrissey’s, the restaurant and pub where he worked, which is still run by a distant relative.

    His mother, Nancy, who is along for the ride, seemed to enjoy the scene. Asked what the vice president would order for dinner, she jokingly responded, “a Guinness.” Pence does not drink."
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    #96

    Sep 14, 2019, 05:12 PM
    That "logical choice" was across the country, 180 miles away from his meeting place.

    Um, you didn't cite your source. I was going to use that same source to prove exactly the opposite of what you did. Yes, Pence covered the charges at Trump's estate -- but only for his mother and sister. Pence's and wife's housing and traveling expenses came out of the taxpayers' pockets and jumped into Trump's.
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    #97

    Sep 14, 2019, 06:06 PM
    Clear you have nothing better to do than engage in witch hunts

    No doubt this was missed in the US in the excitement of finding the VP stayed at a Trump property.

    Oil facilities in Saudi Arabia were raided and set on fire in what will cause serious repercussions to world oil supplies and thus oil prices. It may become so serious that once again the US will have to review the romance with the SUV. Action will have to be taken to stabilise Yemen before this spreads to the Gulf
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    #98

    Sep 14, 2019, 06:58 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    Clear you have nothing better to do than engage in witch hunts

    No doubt this was missed in the US in the excitement of finding the VP stayed at a Trump property.

    Oil facilities in Saudi Arabia were raided and set on fire in what will cause serious repercussions to world oil supplies and thus oil prices. It may become so serious that once again the US will have to review the romance with the SUV. Action will have to be taken to stabilise Yemen before this spreads to the Gulf
    Yep. Always the diversion. The Pence story was a distraction from that story and several others.
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    #99

    Sep 14, 2019, 07:49 PM
    Um, you didn't cite your source. I was going to use that same source to prove exactly the opposite of what you did. Yes, Pence covered the charges at Trump's estate -- but only for his mother and sister. Pence's and wife's housing and traveling expenses came out of the taxpayers' pockets and jumped into Trump's.
    Cite my source? I gave a link and the text. What more do you want?

    It's a nothing story. Were you this upset when the Obamas vacationed in Hawaii for two weeks?
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    Sep 14, 2019, 09:04 PM
    Pence wasn't on vacation. He turned it into one so his boss would financially benefit.

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