[Athos]

Yes, that's the one. We disagree on how that was received.

His smile, his flippant attitude, his momentary silence - all are kinds of encouragement, especially to the shooters who are frequently quoting Trump in their farewell notes.

I don't think this is even debatable. Instead of clearly and forcefully CONDEMNING these crazies, he uses the killings as a political chance to promote himself.

[Wondergirl]

tomder -- "only in the panhandle"

The Texas Panhandle is 'way up north.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Panhandle

https://tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/ryp01

[tomder55]

unless he was refering to the Florida pan handle .

His smile, his flippant attitude, his momentary silence - all are kinds of encouragement, especially to the shooters who are frequently quoting Trump in their farewell notes.

must be like those mysterious dog whistles .

[talaniman]

Trump "encouraged " a chant of shoot them ? Not true .
But I do recall a rally where Trump specifically said that he could not order people crossing the border shot . Then ONE rally goer shouted 'shoot them' and Trump made a flippant joke that could happen "only in the pan handle ". Is that the one you are referring to ? Because that is hardly encouraging shooting

That may be very true but in half way sane reasonable minds, but we are talking crazy racist psychopathic homicidal sociopaths here. I believe a reasonable person would be mindful of that when he is in a public forum with an audience. Is that too much to expect from a leader?

There is nothing mysterious about dog whistles! Why is that so hard for non minorities to understand?

[tomder55]

we are talking crazy racist psychopathic homicidal sociopaths here.

and he was there at the rally yelling 'shoot them' ? No of course not . Again ;if his words inspired a "

crazy racist psychopathic homicidal sociopaths " then Sanders and Warren did the same .

There is nothing mysterious about dog whistles! Why is that so hard for non minorities to understand?

because if we were using secret coded " dog whistles "to communicate then it would be designed so minorities wouldn't understand it .The truth is that the left assigns the label "dog whistles" to words to shape the language to mean what they want it to mean. In other words you don't hear the phrase labelling anything that progressives say . But it is used constantly to smear the language and intent of conservatives .

But maybe we should start assigning them ..How about the words

"Inclusiveness" "Diversity" really are dog whistles for 'no whites allowed ? ' hmmmm now the shoe is on the other foot.

[Athos]

and he was there at the rally yelling 'shoot them' ? No of course not .

That rally scene has been played thousands of times on TV. Of course, he saw it, just as you did and you weren't there, were you?

[talaniman]

because if we were using secret coded " dog whistles "to communicate then it would be designed so minorities wouldn't understand it .The truth is that the left assigns the label "dog whistles" to words to shape the language to mean what they want it to mean. In other words you don't hear the phrase labelling anything that progressives say . But it is used constantly to smear the language and intent of conservatives .

In the racists world Tom, they use dog whistles to communicate with each other and that's a very important distinction to make. That you can't hear it speaks well for you and other non minorities, but trust me minorities always must be cautious and aware of such language for their own protection. I ask you not to dismiss the notion of prejudiced, bigoted, so you can better understand what we are really talking about and it's not the white race being criticized, just the segment consumed by hate because of race. The core base the dufus intentionally appeals to with his dog whistles that only racial haters can hear.

But maybe we should start assigning them ..How about the words "Inclusiveness" "Diversity" really are dog whistles for 'no whites allowed ? ' hmmmm now the shoe is on the other foot.

I'll let my other statement stand for your consideration.

[tomder55]

I ask you not to dismiss the notion of prejudiced, bigoted

, That I understand does exist .

[jlisenbe]

In the racists world Tom, they use dog whistles to communicate with each other and that's a very important distinction to make.

How do you know that? I know a lot of white people. I can't think of one that knows some sinister, secret "dog whistle" language of racism.

Now I have heard, "Pigs in a blanket, fry em like bacon." Nothing secretive about that one. Truth is, there is hatred in all segments of society. No one has it as their exclusive domain.

[talaniman]

How do you know that? I know a lot of white people. I can't think of one that knows some sinister, secret "dog whistle" language of racism.

I can understand if you don't know those types of people, but they do exist and there are more than you know. I know that as fact, and encountered and have had to deal with them all my life. Not all of them are skin heads or wear hoods either, but you can't tell by looking.

I am glad my friend you don't know such haters, but you cannot tell them apart just by looking. Personally I have found they don't represent all white people but a small percentage. One or maybe two of ten.

[jlisenbe]

but they do exist and there are more than you know. I know that as fact, and encountered and have had to deal with them all my life.

They are out there for sure. I've encountered them, and have also encountered anti-white racism from black people, so it is not limited to one group. In all forms it is unpleasant.

[talaniman]

racist

[ˈrāsəst]




ADJECTIVE

• prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.
  "we are investigating complaints about racist abuse"
  
  

NOUN

• a person who is prejudiced against or antagonistic toward people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.
  "he has been targeted by vicious racists online"
  
  

[paraclete]

What a load of crap, the minorities are prejudiced against the majority in the same way majorities can be prejudiced, do you really think the minorities wouldn't wage the same wars if they could? get it through your head black people can be racist, and when you throw religion in the mix like Islam or Hinduism you get militant racism

[talaniman]

What a load of crap, the minorities are prejudiced against the majority in the same way majorities can be prejudiced, do you really think the minorities wouldn't wage the same wars if they could? get it through your head black people can be racist, and when you throw religion in the mix like Islam or Hinduism you get militant racism

You can make the case for the majority and minority feeling the same about each other, fear, hatred mistrust, but would point out that any major religion would result in the same militant racism as well wouldn't it, we know that it has. Fact is Clete we humans have a history of the majority whatever it is, having and holding power over the minority, often cruelly and in oppressive ways. Illogical to think the minority would like it, but that has seldom been considered before, since nothing but abject assimilation and capitulation seems to be the goal of the majority.

By definition the minority cannot be racist, only react to racism. They cannot make or effect or enforce any policy without the agreement of the majority. So being well aware of your bias's and prejudices over the years as well as your many flashes of rationality I'm sure you can grasp the simple concept of the majority reaping what it sows when it has suppressed and dominated the minority against it's will.

What? You think the spoils go to the victor? For a while they do, but it comes with a price for keeping those spoils. The load of crap is in your illogical assumption that the majority and the minority are on equal footing. They are not. Not even close and of course the majority has the motivation to keep it that way. Their idea of survival based on weak perception and very human ego.

Silly humans, you are all alike even though you invent a bunch of crap to prove you are NOT!

[paraclete]

You can make the case for the majority and minority feeling the same about each other, fear, hatred mistrust, but would point out that any major religion would result in the same militant racism as well wouldn't it, we know that it has. Fact is Clete we humans have a history of the majority whatever it is, having and holding power over the minority, often cruelly and in oppressive ways. Illogical to think the minority would like it, but that has seldom been considered before, since nothing but abject assimilation and capitulation seems to be the goal of the majority.

By definition the minority cannot be racist, only react to racism. They cannot make or effect or enforce any policy without the agreement of the majority. So being well aware of your bias's and prejudices over the years as well as your many flashes of rationality I'm sure you can grasp the simple concept of the majority reaping what it sows when it has suppressed and dominated the minority against it's will.

What? You think the spoils go to the victor? For a while they do, but it comes with a price for keeping those spoils. The load of crap is in your illogical assumption that the majority and the minority are on equal footing. They are not. Not even close and of course the majority has the motivation to keep it that way. Their idea of survival based on weak perception and very human ego.

Silly humans, you are all alike even though you invent a bunch of crap to prove you are NOT!

Look long ago what happened when a war is won is the defeated became slaves or they were just wiped out, we are too nice now to even think that , but we have no problem enslaving people with poverty and low wages, so now we have minorities and a social conscience because it is politically expedient, wake up and smell the roses, it helps to keep the stink out

[jlisenbe]

By definition the minority cannot be racist, only react to racism. They cannot make or effect or enforce any policy without the agreement of the majority

You are mixing definitions. There is a difference between racism by law, such as the Jim Crow laws, versus personal racism. There is very little racism mixed with law. What people encounter now is racism by individuals or groups of individuals. Whether it is skinheads or BLM, that kind of racism most definitely cuts across racial lines.

Besides, you act as though minority groups such as blacks or Hispanics are standing alone. That is very much not true. Democrats count on the votes of millions of white liberals who see things about the same that black liberals see them. When you look at that, then your entire "majority/minority" argument falls to pieces.

[Athos]

By definition the minority cannot be racist, only react to racism. They cannot make or effect or enforce any policy without the agreement of the majority. So being well aware of your bias's and prejudices over the years as well as your many flashes of rationality I'm sure you can grasp the simple concept of the majority reaping what it sows when it has suppressed and dominated the minority against it's will.

What? You think the spoils go to the victor? For a while they do, but it comes with a price for keeping those spoils. The load of crap is in your illogical assumption that the majority and the minority are on equal footing. They are not. Not even close and of course the majority has the motivation to keep it that way. Their idea of survival based on weak perception and very human ego.

Excellent points!!

[talaniman]

You are mixing definitions. There is a difference between racism by law, such as the Jim Crow laws, versus personal racism. There is very little racism mixed with law. What people encounter now is racism by individuals or groups of individuals. Whether it is skinheads or BLM, that kind of racism most definitely cuts across racial lines.

Besides, you act as though minority groups such as blacks or Hispanics are standing alone. That is very much not true. Democrats count on the votes of millions of white liberals who see things about the same that black liberals see them. When you look at that, then your entire "majority/minority" argument falls to pieces.

The majority whatever is seldom in control, you think they are. The real minority that has the money has the control, and if you ever wake up to it that would change in a hurry. You're just to willing to buy into the distraction which is highlighting difference and making it the conflict while you get led by the nose to protect what you think is yours from the others.

Who makes the law, and why? Who enforces the law? Why was there reconstruction and Jim Crow and why did there have to be a Civil Rights Act? Come on guy you can't make up history or the effects of it. When this country declared independence, and wrote the constitution it left many people out of such grand ideas, and to this day many minority groups are still fighting to be part of those big words and ideas centuries later. So please don't tell me what you have done while at the same time telling me how hard you worked to get yours.

I've told you many times to look up stuff that explains why there is, and has always been racism, but you obviously did NOT, so it's no wonder you flail about with little or no understanding of it, or dismiss it as trivial or not important enough to address. You aren't alone, your fellow conservatives are just as clueless as you are, but the struggle continues. They too are distracted chasing whatever your elites shine in front of you.

[jlisenbe]

The majority whatever is seldom in control, you think they are. The real minority that has the money has the control, and if you ever wake up to it that would change in a hurry

There might be some truth to that, but it does not support your contentions about racism.

Who makes the law, and why? Who enforces the law? Why was there reconstruction and Jim Crow and why did there have to be a Civil Rights Act? Come on guy you can't make up history or the effects of it. When this country declared independence, and wrote the constitution it left many people out of such grand ideas, and to this day many minority groups are still fighting to be part of those big words and ideas centuries later. So please don't tell me what you have done while at the same time telling me how hard you worked to get yours.

And again, there is some truth to what you are saying, but what was true 100 years ago does not support your contention of racism now. If any group of people really want to make progress in a hurry, they can find leaders who will call for a love of the two parent family, an embracing of lawful behavior, and an insistence on a high quality education system.

I've told you many times to look up stuff that explains why there is, and has always been racism, but you obviously did NOT, so it's no wonder you flail about with little or no understanding of it, or dismiss it as trivial or not important enough to address.

You are the one contending that racism is rampant. You should find the material to back up your claim and stop whining about what I will or won't do.

You aren't alone, your fellow conservatives are just as clueless as you are, but the struggle continues. They too are distracted chasing whatever your elites shine in front of you.

A completely meaningless statement. They only elite I am following after is Christ.

[talaniman]

All due respect but bad enough you claim there is no racism, when the simple thing to do is Google institutional racism or gentrification, and follow the links at your own leisure, but to hide behind your religion is a lousy excuse.

It's quite extensive and a lesson into reality and history. Like studying the bible.